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Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by jonesadrian:
This is unbelievable. This is his 3rd year starting. 3rd. The way the media is ready to pile on Kap the moment he doesn't do well. Like the literal moment he stinks it is the topic of every major talking point in the damn land.

Doesn't stafford is trash isn't accurate and hasn't been good his entire damn career.
Doesn't matter the dolphins paid Tannehill and he can't compete on an NFL level they don't have a qb problem.
Doesn't matter that traditionally Andrew luck is 6-0 in his division and .500 against everyone else every single year.

Just Kap.

The last qb got 7 damn years to stink up the joint and so no signs and was never replaced.

We're going to give up on Kap after 2 and a half?

and it hasn't been 2 and a half years of losing either.

This is his 5th year in the league...at least I think it is. He's had ample time to learn the system and improve. We all knew the O would have to carry the D and Kap would need to elevate his game. So far neither has really happened. When you peg a guy your franchise QB and pay him accordingly expectations are high.

Bottom line he needs to play better or he will no longer be the hot hand.

5th year in the league does not mean a damn thing. The only way to get better by all accounts is by playing. The reps get you better period. So saying someone has 5 years in the league doesn't mean anything if they haven't been starting for 5 years. If he had, I would be right with you.

The O would have to be able to block how about that. Let's get some consistent average pass protection and then we can talk.
We pegged him our franchise guy because before he earned real money in the NFL he proved he will show up in big moments. He proved he can go on the road carry the team and win playoff games. That's why he got paid. He didn't get paid like a Tannehill situation where you consistently underachieved but they believe you'll turn it over. Or a Dalton situation where you're carried by your stud wr that was drafted with you and an incredible defense and you're allowed to be absolutely horrible and not even throw touchdowns in a single playoff game until your 4th one and that includes 3 of them at home.

This is not that.

He absolutely needs to play better than he did sunday. The problem is this isn't the talk. it isn't about sunday. this is about nobody believing in him and having ammo to say so after his worst game ever but are noticeably MUTE when he plays good.
that's what this is about.
When he plays good. Not a peep. His 65% completion rate is misleading, he didn't really complete all those passes.

When he's bad and he's never had a game like the last one ever... then its time to completely move on.
Part of me kind of wants people to get their wish so they can truly see how miserable of a team this would be or would have been without him taking the snaps.
Originally posted by jonesadrian:
5th year in the league does not mean a damn thing. The only way to get better by all accounts is by playing. The reps get you better period. So saying someone has 5 years in the league doesn't mean anything if they haven't been starting for 5 years. If he had, I would be right with you.

The O would have to be able to block how about that. Let's get some consistent average pass protection and then we can talk.
We pegged him our franchise guy because before he earned real money in the NFL he proved he will show up in big moments. He proved he can go on the road carry the team and win playoff games. That's why he got paid. He didn't get paid like a Tannehill situation where you consistently underachieved but they believe you'll turn it over. Or a Dalton situation where you're carried by your stud wr that was drafted with you and an incredible defense and you're allowed to be absolutely horrible and not even throw touchdowns in a single playoff game until your 4th one and that includes 3 of them at home.

This is not that.

He absolutely needs to play better than he did sunday. The problem is this isn't the talk. it isn't about sunday. this is about nobody believing in him and having ammo to say so after his worst game ever but are noticeably MUTE when he plays good.
that's what this is about.
When he plays good. Not a peep. His 65% completion rate is misleading, he didn't really complete all those passes.

When he's bad and he's never had a game like the last one ever... then its time to completely move on.
Part of me kind of wants people to get their wish so they can truly see how miserable of a team this would be or would have been without him taking the snaps.

Tyrod Taylor dissagrees
Yup if he can't make the next step he needs to go
Originally posted by solidg2000:
Originally posted by jonesadrian:
5th year in the league does not mean a damn thing. The only way to get better by all accounts is by playing. The reps get you better period. So saying someone has 5 years in the league doesn't mean anything if they haven't been starting for 5 years. If he had, I would be right with you.

The O would have to be able to block how about that. Let's get some consistent average pass protection and then we can talk.
We pegged him our franchise guy because before he earned real money in the NFL he proved he will show up in big moments. He proved he can go on the road carry the team and win playoff games. That's why he got paid. He didn't get paid like a Tannehill situation where you consistently underachieved but they believe you'll turn it over. Or a Dalton situation where you're carried by your stud wr that was drafted with you and an incredible defense and you're allowed to be absolutely horrible and not even throw touchdowns in a single playoff game until your 4th one and that includes 3 of them at home.

This is not that.

He absolutely needs to play better than he did sunday. The problem is this isn't the talk. it isn't about sunday. this is about nobody believing in him and having ammo to say so after his worst game ever but are noticeably MUTE when he plays good.
that's what this is about.
When he plays good. Not a peep. His 65% completion rate is misleading, he didn't really complete all those passes.

When he's bad and he's never had a game like the last one ever... then its time to completely move on.
Part of me kind of wants people to get their wish so they can truly see how miserable of a team this would be or would have been without him taking the snaps.

Tyrod Taylor dissagrees

I'm sure someone on another team forum in 2012/13 used Kap's name as an example....like you are right now when you mention Taylor...
[ Edited by Afrikan on Sep 28, 2015 at 4:03 PM ]
His stats are misleading because the head coach is a DL coach, the OC sucks and the QB coach is a disk jockey.
Originally posted by Afrikan:
I'm sure someone on another team forum in 2012/13 used Kap's name as an example....like you are right now when you mention Taylor...

You misunderstand, he said you don't get better if you are not starting. So the fact that it's his 5th year means nothing. Taylor is in his 5th year, and is better today then when he came out.

Steve Young was better once he took over as starting QB then he was when we traded for him.
Originally posted by jonesadrian:
5th year in the league does not mean a damn thing. The only way to get better by all accounts is by playing. The reps get you better period. So saying someone has 5 years in the league doesn't mean anything if they haven't been starting for 5 years. If he had, I would be right with you.

The O would have to be able to block how about that. Let's get some consistent average pass protection and then we can talk.
We pegged him our franchise guy because before he earned real money in the NFL he proved he will show up in big moments. He proved he can go on the road carry the team and win playoff games. That's why he got paid. He didn't get paid like a Tannehill situation where you consistently underachieved but they believe you'll turn it over. Or a Dalton situation where you're carried by your stud wr that was drafted with you and an incredible defense and you're allowed to be absolutely horrible and not even throw touchdowns in a single playoff game until your 4th one and that includes 3 of them at home.

This is not that.

He absolutely needs to play better than he did sunday. The problem is this isn't the talk. it isn't about sunday. this is about nobody believing in him and having ammo to say so after his worst game ever but are noticeably MUTE when he plays good.
that's what this is about.
When he plays good. Not a peep. His 65% completion rate is misleading, he didn't really complete all those passes.

When he's bad and he's never had a game like the last one ever... then its time to completely move on.
Part of me kind of wants people to get their wish so they can truly see how miserable of a team this would be or would have been without him taking the snaps.

You brought up Alex's 7 years but did he play all 7? I seem to remember a few injuries that had him sidelined for awhile. So if the bar is set at how many games a player plays in...Kap and Alex probably aren't that far off from when we dumped Alex.

His INT's on Sunday weren't all the OL fault. Sure they are playing like dog s**t but on those throws, Kap was at fault.

All the great playoff performances don't matter if we can't get there. The idea that once it matters he shows up is flawed logic. We will end up being 2 years removed from a playoff game, that stat won't be relevant. You think people care about Sanchez's playoff record now? It's a, "what have you done for me lately" league.

Nobody is happy with the coaches, the OL, the WR's, etc. But the guy that touches the ball every snap will take the brunt of the blame. The knock on Alex was he couldn't win without and elite D and running game, and that was proof enough for many to move on from him. We are literally seeing the exact same thing now with Kap.

He either shows he can bounce back or he doesn't. It's literally on his shoulders right now.
Originally posted by Young2Rice:
His stats are misleading because the head coach is a DL coach, the OC sucks and the QB coach is a disk jockey.

Logan is far from a disk jockey. The guy had over 20+ years of div 1 coaching experience including 11 as a HC. He was also Matt Ryan's OC at BC. Just because he had a coaching radio show doesn't mean he was some disk jockey.
Originally posted by jreff22:
You brought up Alex's 7 years but did he play all 7? I seem to remember a few injuries that had him sidelined for awhile. So if the bar is set at how many games a player plays in...Kap and Alex probably aren't that far off from when we dumped Alex.

His INT's on Sunday weren't all the OL fault. Sure they are playing like dog s**t but on those throws, Kap was at fault.

All the great playoff performances don't matter if we can't get there. The idea that once it matters he shows up is flawed logic. We will end up being 2 years removed from a playoff game, that stat won't be relevant. You think people care about Sanchez's playoff record now? It's a, "what have you done for me lately" league.

Nobody is happy with the coaches, the OL, the WR's, etc. But the guy that touches the ball every snap will take the brunt of the blame. The knock on Alex was he couldn't win without and elite D and running game, and that was proof enough for many to move on from him. We are literally seeing the exact same thing now with Kap.

He either shows he can bounce back or he doesn't. It's literally on his shoulders right now.

The 49ers replaced Smith because they had Kaep. They don't have another Kaep right now.
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Originally posted by jonesadrian:
This is unbelievable. This is his 3rd year starting. 3rd. The way the media is ready to pile on Kap the moment he doesn't do well. Like the literal moment he stinks it is the topic of every major talking point in the damn land.

Doesn't stafford is trash isn't accurate and hasn't been good his entire damn career.
Doesn't matter the dolphins paid Tannehill and he can't compete on an NFL level they don't have a qb problem.
Doesn't matter that traditionally Andrew luck is 6-0 in his division and .500 against everyone else every single year.

Just Kap.

The last qb got 7 damn years to stink up the joint and so no signs and was never replaced.

We're going to give up on Kap after 2 and a half?

and it hasn't been 2 and a half years of losing either.

For the last time, Kap has been starting for 3 1/2 years and he's not getting better, but seems to be regressing. I'll never understand posters like you who are Kap fans more than 49ers fans. I want to be in a position to win, not keep a QB who isn't getting it done because you love him so much.
Originally posted by Stud:
For the last time, Kap has been starting for 3 1/2 years and he's not getting better, but seems to be regressing. I'll never understand posters like you who are Kap fans more than 49ers fans. I want to be in a position to win, not keep a QB who isn't getting it done because you love him so much.

2011: 0 starts
2012: 8 starts
2013: 16 starts
2014: 16 starts

That looks like 2.5 years to me.
My better judgement tells me I shouldn't even lower myself to an internet QB discussion...

Kap played terrible yesterday. Just flat out awful. His INT's were inexcusable and the Cardinal's were visibly in his head.

That being said.... shame on you for being so short sighted on Kap. Baalke and Jed York are the ones that have f**ked this team up, not Kaepernick.

This is Kaep's 5th year in the league- His 1st half season, lit the league on fire and took the team 1 play from the Super Bowl. CARRIED THEM in the playoffs when the D was shoddy because of a gimpy Justin Smith and Aldon Smith. 2nd year in the league led us to 12-4 record and within 1 play of beating Seattle at home in the playoffs, which is an unheard of feet.

Even his "terrible" year last year, he nearly had 2:1 TD-INT ratio, completed 60% of his passes and we went 8-8. People are acting like he threw more INT's than TD's and we were a 4-12 disaster.

More road playoff W's than any QB in 49er history

Shows up big in big games

As much physical talent and great work ethic as any QB that's ever played.


Yesterday was a disaster, but it's embarrassing how many of you put it on the shoulders of a PROVEN winner and big game performer... and not on the HC And staff that have no business even occupying those jobs.
http://www.ninersnation.com/2015/9/17/9347255/all-22-49ers-colin-kaepernick-shows-signs-vs-vikings

Here's a in depth analysis of Kaeps week 1 game. He was 8 for 8 with 66 in boot leg passes. Yet only 8 for 15 for 71 yards while in the pocket. Talks about the good and bad, and how he's shown improvement
Originally posted by TheWooLick:
The 49ers replaced Smith because they had Kaep. They don't have another Kaep right now.

And what was another Kap? A guy that could, "thread the needle, anticipate throws, throw guys open, put the team on his back, take over a game, make up for player decencies, etc."

Everything people said Alex couldn't do was expected of Kap. He's by no means garbage but his floor obviously isn't Alex's ceiling.

I'm not in the camp of dumping Kap. I was working on a mock earlier today but didn't feel like going through a zillion picks. Bottom line IMO is OT in the first, DE/OLB in the second, and OG/C in the third.

I dont want to draft another QB yet. I would rather give Kap the protection he deserves before I throw in the towel. Now if he throws 20 pick 6's that mock might change lol
[ Edited by jreff22 on Sep 28, 2015 at 4:31 PM ]
Originally posted by TheWooLick:
Originally posted by Stud:
For the last time, Kap has been starting for 3 1/2 years and he's not getting better, but seems to be regressing. I'll never understand posters like you who are Kap fans more than 49ers fans. I want to be in a position to win, not keep a QB who isn't getting it done because you love him so much.

2011: 0 starts
2012: 8 starts
2013: 16 starts
2014: 16 starts

That looks like 2.5 years to me.

You're forgetting post season starts
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