Colin Kaepernick Thread

Originally posted by LowerTheBoom:
My better judgement tells me I shouldn't even lower myself to an internet QB discussion...

Kap played terrible yesterday. Just flat out awful. His INT's were inexcusable and the Cardinal's were visibly in his head.

That being said.... shame on you for being so short sighted on Kap. Baalke and Jed York are the ones that have f**ked this team up, not Kaepernick.

This is Kaep's 5th year in the league- His 1st half season, lit the league on fire and took the team 1 play from the Super Bowl. CARRIED THEM in the playoffs when the D was shoddy because of a gimpy Justin Smith and Aldon Smith. 2nd year in the league led us to 12-4 record and within 1 play of beating Seattle at home in the playoffs, which is an unheard of feet.

Even his "terrible" year last year, he nearly had 2:1 TD-INT ratio, completed 60% of his passes and we went 8-8. People are acting like he threw more INT's than TD's and we were a 4-12 disaster.

More road playoff W's than any QB in 49er history

Shows up big in big games

As much physical talent and great work ethic as any QB that's ever played.


Yesterday was a disaster, but it's embarrassing how many of you put it on the shoulders of a PROVEN winner and big game performer... and not on the HC And staff that have no business even occupying those jobs.

Agree with a lot of what you said. I put a lot of the blame for what happened yesterday on Kaepernick, but at the same time the criticism for who he is overall as a player has been over the top.

Right now people make him out to be the worst QB in the history of the league. His track record doesn't support that claim. He has been, and can continue to be, a good NFL starter. Yes, he is flawed as a player. Yesterday was a disaster and there are no excuses for that type of performance. He can bounce back from it. It's not the end of the world.

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by Afrikan:

Originally posted by slowriot:

Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter 6m6 minutes ago
From @jawsespn on 49ers' QB Colin Kaepernick: "I don't think he has the chance to be one of the greatest anymore." And he Truly Believes it.

so some didn't take Jaws serious before...now some want to take him serious now?


Kap still has a chance!

He's only right when we agree! LOL!

Who gives a f**k what jaw thinks. It was a ridiculous statement when he said 10 games into his career and it's just as ridiculous now that he feels like he's this QB authority that must remove himself from his b******t statement. Just more nonsense, to create these list and start fights.

Kap can be a real good QB in this league. But here again is the over reaction to a s**tty game, ive never seen a guy only judged on the bad games he's had.

Originally posted by Niners816:
Who gives a f**k what jaw thinks. It was a ridiculous statement when he said 10 games into his career and it's just as ridiculous now that he feels like he's this QB authority that must remove himself from his b******t statement. Just more nonsense, to create these list and start fights.

Kap can be a real good QB in this league. But here again is the over reaction to a s**tty game, ive never seen a guy only judged on the bad games he's had.

This. f**k all the outside noise. It's true Kap's good games are overlooked, and people obsess over his poor performances. Not fair, but that's how the media is.

It's on Kap to change the narrative. He's got to play consistently well.

Originally posted by Stud:
For the last time, Kap has been starting for 3 1/2 years and he's not getting better, but seems to be regressing. I'll never understand posters like you who are Kap fans more than 49ers fans. I want to be in a position to win, not keep a QB who isn't getting it done because you love him so much.

Yup, Kap fans more than 49er fans.

You act like Kap has just been bad for his entire tenure with the 49ers. All but a couple of his playoff performances have been monster games.

NFL record 187 rushing yards to go with 250+ passing yards when he dismantled Green Bay in his 1st career start.

NFL record 17 point comeback ON THE ROAD at Atlanta in the NFCCG

GW TD drive in a blizzard at Green Bay in the playoffs


His resume has lots of big games, against great teams, a 2:1 TD-INT ratio and huge plays very few QB's are capable of making- running AND throwing.


Most of us just aren't willing to be ungrateful and blind to all the great things he's done on the football field because he's had a handful of really bad performances on a team that's had a pathetic OL for the last 1+ years and a coaching staff that is either clueless or in turmoil.

Blind, over the top criticism and refusing to acknowledge the other side of the fence doesn't make you a smart or loyal fan.

After the mess the 49ers have become thanks largely to the ownership I wondered how long it would take for everyone to shift all the blame on Kap. He played pretty well in the first two games. Yes last sunday was terrible but I've seen the best of them do close to or exactly the same thing. If Kap had played really well we would have only lost by 20. This team is a mess from the top down. Carson Palmer was a turnover machine when he played for the Raiders. Now he looks good. Kap took us to the Super Bowl. Everyone says he has regressed. That is very unlikely the truth of the matter is the coaching, ownership, general managing, and players have crumbled around him. I have no doubt Kap will be replaced at some point but things won't get any better until the other things are fixed. Having said that I expect them to beat the Packers. The Pack will be on a short week, cross country. Then the narrative will change again.

Originally posted by jreff22:

You're forgetting post season starts

I didn't forget. Those don't count towards additional seasons or years.

Originally posted by SofaKing:
Agree with a lot of what you said. I put a lot of the blame for what happened yesterday on Kaepernick, but at the same time the criticism for who he is overall as a player has been over the top.

Right now people make him out to be the worst QB in the history of the league. His track record doesn't support that claim. He has been, and can continue to be, a good NFL starter. Yes, he is flawed as a player. Yesterday was a disaster and there are no excuses for that type of performance. He can bounce back from it. It's not the end of the world.

Eh, people don't want true objectivity, they want the license to piss and moan and act like a child.

There are things Kap did that are 100% on him. You DON'T EVER throw off your backfoot like he did the first 2 INT's--- while he DESERVES blame for that, does that mean he was the only one contributing to the problem? Does that mean the OL doing a horrendous job of blocking that put the pressure in his face wasn't a major factor in that?

As terrible of a throw/decision as it was, these same people damning him for the throw would be damning him if he just held the ball and took the sack.

And what of the coaching staff for having a laughable game plan to begin with? Yesterday's game plan and adjustments make Singletary look like the 2nd coming of Belichek.

Unfortunately, Kap might not last long term in SF because he has been put in the WORST position possible- be the QB of a team with a crap OL and a defensive minded HC who is severely underqualifed for the job.

Shame on Baalke and Jed York for creating this.

Originally posted by LowerTheBoom:

My better judgement tells me I shouldn't even lower myself to an internet QB discussion...

Kap played terrible yesterday. Just flat out awful. His INT's were inexcusable and the Cardinal's were visibly in his head.

That being said.... shame on you for being so short sighted on Kap. Baalke and Jed York are the ones that have f**ked this team up, not Kaepernick.

This is Kaep's 5th year in the league- His 1st half season, lit the league on fire and took the team 1 play from the Super Bowl. CARRIED THEM in the playoffs when the D was shoddy because of a gimpy Justin Smith and Aldon Smith. 2nd year in the league led us to 12-4 record and within 1 play of beating Seattle at home in the playoffs, which is an unheard of feet.

Even his "terrible" year last year, he nearly had 2:1 TD-INT ratio, completed 60% of his passes and we went 8-8. People are acting like he threw more INT's than TD's and we were a 4-12 disaster.

More road playoff W's than any QB in 49er history

Shows up big in big games

As much physical talent and great work ethic as any QB that's ever played.


Yesterday was a disaster, but it's embarrassing how many of you put it on the shoulders of a PROVEN winner and big game performer... and not on the HC And staff that have no business even occupying those jobs.

The 49ers were a championship caliber team when Kaepernick took over. If it wasn't for Kyle Williams, they would of probably been super bowl champions. you make it seem like this team was terrible when he took it over. And last year was a disaster! 8-8 for a team that was super bowl or bust is a bust

Originally posted by SofaKing:

This. f**k all the outside noise. It's true Kap's good games are overlooked, and people obsess over his poor performances. Not fair, but that's how the media is.

It's on Kap to change the narrative. He's got to play consistently well.

It is going to be tough if the line and game plans don't improve.

Originally posted by jreff22:
I'm not in the camp of dumping Kap. I was working on a mock earlier today but didn't feel like going through a zillion picks. Bottom line IMO is OT in the first, DE/OLB in the second, and OG/C in the third.

I dont want to draft another QB yet. I would rather give Kap the protection he deserves before I throw in the towel. Now if he throws 20 pick 6's that mock might change lol

I believe any mock for next year will need to take into account the need for some FAs at the OL position. If they draft a an OT and an OG they will still be young and untested in the NFL. You could hope a first round talent would start but even that is iffy. Also, an OLB pass rusher may be as great a need if Harold and Lynch fail to bring pressure this year. My solution over the past three years is opposite of what happened...I always want to trade multiple picks for higher picks. That way they would have a better chance to get a two or three starting caliber rookies. Alas...

Edit: They have the cap room to make a move next off season...

It felt as though they'd quit. If Kaepernick can't run the offense they think will win, take him out. But as long as he is in there, they should be calling plays to win the game, not to avoid mistakes. And losing teams at least need to go down swinging, not try to mitigate the damage.

On defense, they played soft in coverage, relying on zone defense. Of course, that scheme relies on meticulous execution and discipline -- not usually the trademarks of a unit with so much youth and newness.

Several times, the 49ers had a linebacker start on Larry Fitzgerald, an All-Pro receiver. That linebacker would then release Fitzgerald to a teammate, and the teammate wasn't there.

Fitzgerald finished with 134 yards receiving and two touchdowns. Once, linebacker NaVorro Bowman threw his hands up in confusion and frustration while chasing down Fitzgerald.

Undoubtedly, millions of 49ers fans were throwing their hands up with Bowman. Not because the 49ers lost, but because they looked so lost while losing.

There was some hope things would be different. If everything broke right, the 49ers could've surprised some people. They could've looked like a team on the ascent that just needed time to jell.

But three weeks in, this season is circling the drain. And this could've been expected. Because dysfunction trickles down.
http://www.mercurynews.com/marcus-thompson/ci_28887586/thompson-this-is-who-49ers-really-are

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by jreff22:
I'm not in the camp of dumping Kap. I was working on a mock earlier today but didn't feel like going through a zillion picks. Bottom line IMO is OT in the first, DE/OLB in the second, and OG/C in the third.

I dont want to draft another QB yet. I would rather give Kap the protection he deserves before I throw in the towel. Now if he throws 20 pick 6's that mock might change lol

I believe any mock for next year will need to take into account the need for some FAs at the OL position. If they draft a an OT and an OG they will still be young and untested in the NFL. You could hope a first round talent would start but even that is iffy. Also, an OLB pass rusher may be as great a need if Harold and Lynch fail to bring pressure this year. My solution over the past three years is opposite of what happened...I always want to trade multiple picks for higher picks. That way they would have a better chance to get a two or three starting caliber rookies. Alas...

Edit: They have the cap room to make a move next off season...

Completely agree and I said so in another post.

We need, IMO, to pay a "PROVEN" FA guy[s] on OLine for sure.

We could and should use our top draft picks on the best pass rusher possible.

Enough w/the developmental guys for one year and get some excellence that can play right away

Originally posted by dtg_9er:
I believe any mock for next year will need to take into account the need for some FAs at the OL position. If they draft a an OT and an OG they will still be young and untested in the NFL. You could hope a first round talent would start but even that is iffy. Also, an OLB pass rusher may be as great a need if Harold and Lynch fail to bring pressure this year. My solution over the past three years is opposite of what happened...I always want to trade multiple picks for higher picks. That way they would have a better chance to get a two or three starting caliber rookies. Alas...

Edit: They have the cap room to make a move next off season...

I don't think that OL necessarily need to be "developed" to be effective in the NFL. We see talented young OL step into the NFL And be key difference makers Year 1 all the time. Especially on the interior OL, where they have help on each side.

IMO it's harder to find a bona fide pass rusher on D than it is to find a solid OL. Did anyone know who the f**k Evan Mathis was before he became a Pro-Bowler? Ben Grubbs? Marshall Yanda?

Originally posted by LowerTheBoom:

Originally posted by SofaKing:
Agree with a lot of what you said. I put a lot of the blame for what happened yesterday on Kaepernick, but at the same time the criticism for who he is overall as a player has been over the top.

Right now people make him out to be the worst QB in the history of the league. His track record doesn't support that claim. He has been, and can continue to be, a good NFL starter. Yes, he is flawed as a player. Yesterday was a disaster and there are no excuses for that type of performance. He can bounce back from it. It's not the end of the world.

Eh, people don't want true objectivity, they want the license to piss and moan and act like a child.

There are things Kap did that are 100% on him. You DON'T EVER throw off your backfoot like he did the first 2 INT's--- while he DESERVES blame for that, does that mean he was the only one contributing to the problem? Does that mean the OL doing a horrendous job of blocking that put the pressure in his face wasn't a major factor in that?

As terrible of a throw/decision as it was, these same people damning him for the throw would be damning him if he just held the ball and took the sack.

And what of the coaching staff for having a laughable game plan to begin with? Yesterday's game plan and adjustments make Singletary look like the 2nd coming of Belichek.

Unfortunately, Kap might not last long term in SF because he has been put in the WORST position possible- be the QB of a team with a crap OL and a defensive minded HC who is severely underqualifed for the job.

Shame on Baalke and Jed York for creating this.

Yeah, people do take their criticisms over the top. But in my opinion, when you go sub-100 yards, 4 INTs, there's simply no excuse for that. Not moving the ball is one thing. Making terrible reads, off-balance throws, and melting down under pressure should not happen. There's no excuse for what took place yesterday. None.

Originally posted by solidg2000:
The 49ers were a championship caliber team when Kaepernick took over. If it wasn't for Kyle Williams, they would of probably been super bowl champions. you make it seem like this team was terrible when he took it over. And last year was a disaster! 8-8 for a team that was super bowl or bust is a bust

I don't know where you got that from. The team WAS mediocre before Kap was a member of the 49ers-- the year before Jim Harbaugh took over for Mike Singletary.

No, 8-8 is not a "disaster", it's an over-reaction for spoiled fans that don't take anything else into account besides headlines like who the QB and HC are.

OL was almost as bad last year as it is right now. Anthony Davis missed most of the season, so did Kilgore, so did Mike Iupati, who sucked in pass pro even when healthy.

Vernon Davis was playing hurt, Crabtree was broken down and we had nobody's at WR after Boldin.

3 All-Pro's - Aldon Smith, Patrick Willis, Navorro Bowman - played a combined 12 games last year.


....and we STILL went 8-8 despite a couple fluke L's to STL and CHI.


But ya, cut out all the critical thinking and surrounding facts and just blame it on the game with the ball in his hands making the most money. Because it's easier.