Colin Kaepernick Thread

Originally posted by crake49:
Yeah, I'm not really serious here. I'll be shocked if Luck doesn't end up at least rated in the top half if not top 10 QB's as the year progresses. At the same time, I can't believe multiple interceptions in a game is going to be the new normal for Kaepernick either.

I doubt Kap will throw more than 15/16 int on the year. He may have an awful year, but he won't throw many picks.

His passes are too damn hard to catch.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Let's be serious, Luck would have developed as a QB playing at Appalachian State. Its not like Harbaugh found some obscure walk-on that he turned into a #1 NFL draft pick. Luck's father was an NFL QB and was tutoring him back from when he was a little kid. Might as well give the credit for Peyton Manning to Phillip Fullmer

Great point!

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Let's be serious, Luck would have developed as a QB playing at Appalachian State. Its not like Harbaugh found some obscure walk-on that he turned into a #1 NFL draft pick. Luck's father was an NFL QB and was tutoring him back from when he was a little kid. Might as well give the credit for Peyton Manning to Phillip Fullmer

If Fullmer had success with other QBs, than yeah I would say the logical conclusion is he played a key role in Peyton's development.

Originally posted by crake49:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Let's be serious, Luck would have developed as a QB playing at Appalachian State. Its not like Harbaugh found some obscure walk-on that he turned into a #1 NFL draft pick. Luck's father was an NFL QB and was tutoring him back from when he was a little kid. Might as well give the credit for Peyton Manning to Phillip Fullmer

Great point!

Agree...but stop it! Almost spit water all over my keyboard!

Originally posted by SunDevilNiner79:

Originally posted by crake49:
Yeah, I'm not really serious here. I'll be shocked if Luck doesn't end up at least rated in the top half if not top 10 QB's as the year progresses. At the same time, I can't believe multiple interceptions in a game is going to be the new normal for Kaepernick either.

I doubt Kap will throw more than 15/16 int on the year. He may have an awful year, but he won't throw many picks.

His passes are too damn hard to catch.

The maxes he has ever thrown is 10 and that was with a 3 interception game and 2 games with two picks each. So three of his games resulted in 7 of his picks. Its not like he throws a tonof them. Once a season, typically, he has a horrible game. Even 2013 he had games like this.

Originally posted by SunDevilNiner79:
If Fullmer had success with other QBs, than yeah I would say the logical conclusion is he played a key role in Peyton's development.

The point is that however much Harbaugh would have helped, Luck was pretty much destined to be a great player, at whatever college he attended. It is why he was the top QB prospect in the country coming out of high school. The whole notion that Harbaugh "created" him is bogus, just as with Fullmer and Manning. Tee Martin looked great under Fullmer, did something that Manning couldn't which was lead the Vols to a national championship. Manning would still have been a great player, whether he was at Maine or Sacramento State.

Originally posted by SunDevilNiner79:

Originally posted by crake49:
Yeah, I'm not really serious here. I'll be shocked if Luck doesn't end up at least rated in the top half if not top 10 QB's as the year progresses. At the same time, I can't believe multiple interceptions in a game is going to be the new normal for Kaepernick either.

I doubt Kap will throw more than 15/16 int on the year. He may have an awful year, but he won't throw many picks.

His passes are too damn hard to catch.

that used to be the case....but now that he has developed "touch"

if we start to lose more games, I want Kap to go back to his old self.. I don't give a f**k.

100 mph passes... spread out the WIDE RECEIVERS (don't have Celek and Miller running routes).....start running forward if his first 2 reads are covered... and keep doing so until they start to spy him.... then it might be easier to find someone open in the middle of the field.

Hey guys.. Kap was afraid to throw cuz he don't want an ints that again. So he need throw a lot for practice about ints because just practices more time and that was ok an ints.. He will understand with ints for used the way. He will used and better process time.. I wanted kap need throw a lot and must it.. He can practice our 49ers defense if he can mistake to throw the lot with ints then it is okay cuz only practice a lot. He will understand about throw with lot. He will used then impossible to get success for quarterback..

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by SunDevilNiner79:
If Fullmer had success with other QBs, than yeah I would say the logical conclusion is he played a key role in Peyton's development.

The point is that however much Harbaugh would have helped, Luck was pretty much destined to be a great player, at whatever college he attended. It is why he was the top QB prospect in the country coming out of high school. The whole notion that Harbaugh "created" him is bogus, just as with Fullmer and Manning. Tee Martin looked great under Fullmer, did something that Manning couldn't which was lead the Vols to a national championship. Manning would still have been a great player, whether he was at Maine or Sacramento State.

Did I ever say Harbaugh "created" Luck? I said Harbaugh has gotten "the most out of his QBs with his system." That was my statement. Yes Kap struggled to improve, but its hilarious people think thats 100% Harbaugh's fault. You guys credit Harbs for any failing at QB, and give no credit for any positive. I think its a mix, and with his track record he has worked very well with QBs and was on track to ultimately improve Kap though some growing pains.

I mean I really don't care about this argument because in time we will know the answer on how well Tomsula did with his team and how well Harbs has done without the 49ers.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

The point is that however much Harbaugh would have helped, Luck was pretty much destined to be a great player, at whatever college he attended. It is why he was the top QB prospect in the country coming out of high school. The whole notion that Harbaugh "created" him is bogus, just as with Fullmer and Manning. Tee Martin looked great under Fullmer, did something that Manning couldn't which was lead the Vols to a national championship. Manning would still have been a great player, whether he was at Maine or Sacramento State.

Agree. It's not a coincidence when guys like Luck and the Mannings become #1 overall picks and successful NFL QBs. These guys have been groomed from birth to play the position. They grew up in professional football families. The instincts and intangibles have been instilled in them from a very early age, in addition to being very smart and talented.

Luck could have went to any number of schools and ran any number of offenses. Landing a guy like that is winning the lottery for any coach. Harbs did a good job with Luck, but he did not create him.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Let's be serious, Luck would have developed as a QB playing at Appalachian State. Its not like Harbaugh found some obscure walk-on that he turned into a #1 NFL draft pick. Luck's father was an NFL QB and was tutoring him back from when he was a little kid. Might as well give the credit for Peyton Manning to Phillip Fullmer

You ever coming back to post at misc bro? Need some more sane niner fans there.

Originally posted by SunDevilNiner79:
Did I ever say Harbaugh "created" Luck? I said Harbaugh has gotten "the most out of his QBs with his system." That was my statement. Yes Kap struggled to improve, but its hilarious people think thats 100% Harbaugh's fault. You guys credit Harbs for any failing at QB, and give no credit for any positive. I think its a mix, and with his track record he has worked very well with QBs and was on track to ultimately improve Kap though some growing pains.

I mean I really don't care about this argument because in time we will know the answer on how well Tomsula did with his team and how well Harbs has done without the 49ers.

Your original comment was:

Yeah that guy Andrew Luck never developed in college. Surprised he found a job in the NFL.

I think its pretty obvious that a guy with the mental makeup, skillset and family background of Luck would have found success anywhere.



As far as this team goes, Harbaugh wanted Kaepernick, Harbaugh got Kaepernick, he had four seasons of coaching him. Not sure what else can be said in regards to this subject.

Originally posted by SunDevilNiner79:
If Fullmer had success with other QBs, than yeah I would say the logical conclusion is he played a key role in Peyton's development.

What other success has Harbaugh really had? How is Josh Johnson doing in the NFL?

Are you really giving him credit for turning Alex Smith around? A former #1 overall draft pick who had all the tools but went to a disaster of a team with constant changes in coordinators?

Alex Smith changed himself. He was playing much better in 2010 under Singletary and just kept it going with improvements on the OL and some better playmakers on offense. It's easy to have a high completion % when you're only throwing short/intermediate passes to guys who are wide open and eating sacks when guys are covered or dumping it off to a TE.

People forget just how much changed on this team between 2010 and 2011 seasons including getting rid of that scrub Chilo Rachal, Iupati and Anthony Davis going into their second seasons and the addition of Aldon Smith and Navarro Bowman coming into his own on defense.

They basically said "Alex if you have to pass just don't turn the ball over, we don't care if you can't get a first down to save your life the defense will get the ball back and we'll try to run on their D again"

Yeah....quite the QB development there.

It's kind of funny to me everyone is bashing kaepernick so hard after this past game. People are talking like he's complete trash now and needs to lose his job lol. He actually was one of the few players that played well against the Steelers. He may have been overrated to begin with, but now after one miserable game against the Cardinals he is being severely underrated by a lot of analysts. It was a bad game. He's still a solid quarterback.

lol, you guys are just silly. Zero credit to anything positive under Harbs. All the blame though.

edit: Harbs must be an awful coach in football that no one wants and he is probably doing awful right now.

Meanwhile we look really really good without him.