Colin Kaepernick Thread

Originally posted by Rascal:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by Rascal:

Originally posted by LaMattsBlue:

Originally posted by leakyfausett:

Originally posted by Niners99:
Colin Kaepernick: 4 INT

Andrew Luck: 7 INT

Andrew Luck comeback win. Something Kap does not do.

NFCCG says what?

Which one? You don't mean the one against the Seahawks right? LOL.

What was it? 3 turnovers in the 4th quarter?

C'mon man when did you start watching 49ers football?? He's talking about the 2012 NFCC.

Of course I knew he meant 2012, that is why I had to bring up the Seahawks game.

What I find disturbing is people are defending Kap by bringing up games from 4 seasons ago. That's not making me feel better about him being our franchise QB if people can't bring up stuff that even happened last year. Just saying. It's ironic.

Originally posted by SofaKing:

Originally posted by defenderDX:

Originally posted by SofaKing:

Originally posted by defenderDX:

what the hell is kap doing? first pass of the game he doesnt pull the trigger to the breaking out route. line isnt even an issue. he completes his drop but waits waits waits.

2nd gif is the next pick 6. double clutches and it's just horrible all around. as someone who loves Kap I cant defend this....

It's inexcusable. I love Kap and will continue to support him, but he has to eliminate these mistakes from his game. 1st throw he was late throwing the ball, he needed to get rid of it once he hit his back foot. 2nd throw was even worse. Late going through the progression and threw off balance falling backward.

Don't know what to say, other than it was two horrible plays that would never happen if he played with proper mechanics. I like that he spent much of the off-season working on these issues, but he's still got plenty of work to do. He needs to learn how to sync the progression and the throw with his dropback.

it's more than just his mechanics. it's his mind. the first pick 6 he completed his drop, had good footwork, and should have fired it to VD on the out route. a route you CANNOT throw late. instead for whatever reason didn't pull the trigger until it was too late..

and the 2nd pick 6 he gets through his progressions just fine and is LOOKING at Boldin open on the curl, and double clutches. for no reason. instead he double clutches and throws way off his back foot. his mind to me was the cause of his awful mechanics.

I agree, he needs get his mind right. He has to be faster going through the progression and that includes pulling the trigger on time. Seeing the WR open is fruitless if you don't get the ball to him. There's just no excuse for it, he has to make these throws.

Those are the things Harbaugh SHOULD have been teaching him but never did.

The question is; does Tomsula and staff have the time to teach him, or should they sit him and go with Gabbert, or should they hope he learns on the job?

Originally posted by solidg2000:
Yeah and the 49ers as a whole, were far superior then the Colts

What about last year?
49ers as a whole were better then the Colts, yet the 49ers didn't make the playoffs

That's not the point. The point is too many people, when formulating a criticism of Kap, completely throw out anything good he's every done. Only the failures are considered, the successes are thrown out the window.

Conversely, they take another QB, glorify his successes, and completely ignore his failures, as if it never happened. Wiped from the history books.

Idk about you, but that's faulty reasoning to me. If people want to critique Kap' career, I'm cool with that, so long as his entire body of work is presented fairly.

Originally posted by Stud:
What I find disturbing is people are defending Kap by bringing up games from 4 seasons ago. That's not making me feel better about him being our franchise QB if people can't bring up stuff that even happened last year. Just saying. It's ironic.

Since then the league has learned how to defend his college game.

Originally posted by dj43:
Those are the things Harbaugh SHOULD have been teaching him but never did.

The question is; does Tomsula and staff have the time to teach him, or should they sit him and go with Gabbert, or should they hope he learns on the job?

They need to ride with Kap for the season and make their determination on him in the off-season.

Originally posted by SofaKing:

Originally posted by solidg2000:
Yeah and the 49ers as a whole, were far superior then the Colts

What about last year?
49ers as a whole were better then the Colts, yet the 49ers didn't make the playoffs

That's not the point. The point is too many people, when formulating a criticism of Kap, completely throw out anything good he's every done. Only the failures are considered, the successes are thrown out the window.

Conversely, they take another QB, glorify his successes, and completely ignore his failures, as if it never happened. Wiped from the history books.

Idk about you, but that's faulty reasoning to me. If people want to critique Kap' career, I'm cool with that, so long as his entire body of work is presented fairly.

He has done some good things but he is not a franchise QB. He is a run first throw second QB reliant on the read option that NFL defenses have caught up to. Just name one excellent running QB A top tier Qb .

Originally posted by leakyfausett:
He has done some good things but he is not a franchise QB. He is a run first throw second QB reliant on the read option that NFL defenses have caught up to. Just name one excellent running QB A top tier Qb .

Michael Vick...er....Kordell Stew......er.......Tim Tebow?

Andrew Luck
1929 attempts
58.4% comp
13,710 yards
91 TDs
50 INTs
Vs
Colin Kaepernick
1208 attempts
60.4% comp
8982 yards
52 TDs
25 INTs

Who do you got?
And how would Kaep look if he attempted as many passes as Luck?

Originally posted by leakyfausett:
He has done some good things but he is not a franchise QB. He is a run first throw second QB reliant on the read option that NFL defenses have caught up to. Just name one excellent running QB A top tier Qb .

No question he has to evolve as a pocket passer. All I'm saying is there's still 13 games that need to be played, and people are trying to write the book on Kap's 2015 season before it's even close to being complete.

The media flip-flopping has been hilarious too. 2 weeks in and they're singing him praises, one really bad week and now the guy should be out of the league. They take the most current event, and blow it up to ridiculous proportions to get viewers. They're the last people that should be trying to close the book on Kap's career.

Originally posted by Stud:

Originally posted by leakyfausett:

He has done some good things but he is not a franchise QB. He is a run first throw second QB reliant on the read option that NFL defenses have caught up to. Just name one excellent running QB A top tier Qb .

Michael Vick...er....Kordell Stew......er.......Tim Tebow?

Since Young?
Cam Newton

Originally posted by SofaKing:

Originally posted by dj43:
Those are the things Harbaugh SHOULD have been teaching him but never did.

The question is; does Tomsula and staff have the time to teach him, or should they sit him and go with Gabbert, or should they hope he learns on the job?

They need to ride with Kap for the season and make their determination on him in the off-season.

Need to ride with him at least a couple more games before any change is seriously considered. However, if by the time we finish with the Ravens, if he has not shown significant improvement, I don't see how Tomsula and Co can continue on with him.

Originally posted by solidg2000:
Andrew Luck
1929 attempts
58.4% comp
13,710 yards
91 TDs
50 INTs
Vs
Colin Kaepernick
1208 attempts
60.4% comp
8982 yards
52 TDs
25 INTs

Who do you got?
And how would Kaep look if he attempted as many passes as Luck?

Hard to say what Kap's numbers would be, but if we go by his per-attempt production:

14,342 yards
83 TDs
40 INTs

I think that compares pretty favorably, statistically speaking. Couple in his W-L record, and playoff victories, and you have a QB that has done a lot of good in this league. He's going through a tough patch in his career, but he's not a lost cause. Not even close.

Originally posted by Stud:
Damn this was one on the front stories on NFL.com. Agree or disagree?

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-around-the-nfl/0ap3000000542433/Should-49ers-consider-moving-on-from-Kaepernick

Yeah, and that commentary comes from a former General Manager who put together Super Bowl winning teams with the Redskins. That was a no nonsense appraisal. Deer in the headlights, can't read defenses, hesitates, not consistently accurate. Move on.

Niners got the contract right with Kaepernick to make that decision possible without inflicting major cap damage, but they screwed up by not having a viable alternative on the roster. If this season gets out of control early, and looking at the schedule it likely will, they probably have to at least kick the tires with Gabbert, though he looks pretty doubtful himself.

Originally posted by SofaKing:

Originally posted by solidg2000:

Yeah and the 49ers as a whole, were far superior then the Colts

What about last year?
49ers as a whole were better then the Colts, yet the 49ers didn't make the playoffs

That's not the point. The point is too many people, when formulating a criticism of Kap, completely throw out anything good he's every done. Only the failures are considered, the successes are thrown out the window.

Conversely, they take another QB, glorify his successes, and completely ignore his failures, as if it never happened. Wiped from the history books.

Idk about you, but that's faulty reasoning to me. If people want to critique Kap' career, I'm cool with that, so long as his entire body of work is presented fairly.

Isnt the point that Kaepernick hasn't been the same since him good/great performances in 2012 and 2013? Last year was a failure of a season, for Kaep and the 49ers.

Kaep went 2-4 inside the division. Should of been 1-5 if it wasn't for the fact we were facing the Cardinals 6th string QB or something like that. The teams who know Kaep, had exposed him for everyone else

Originally posted by solidg2000:

Originally posted by Stud:

Originally posted by leakyfausett:
He has done some good things but he is not a franchise QB. He is a run first throw second QB reliant on the read option that NFL defenses have caught up to. Just name one excellent running QB A top tier Qb .

Michael Vick...er....Kordell Stew......er.......Tim Tebow?

Since Young?
Cam Newton

I said Excellent top tier which Cam is not and if you mean Steve Young then you need to rethink football Because Steve Young was one of the best Passing Qb's out there and ran when he needed to except when he was in Tampa he ran well because he need to all the time.