Colin Kaepernick Thread

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
If we build the trenches and get a competent OC, Kap is all the QB we need.

He's not great, but he is dynamic.

His decision making is still in question. Maybe letting him be himself is screwing up the work he put in with warner.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by BOI49er:

That was then. This is now. It can't happen again now that the league has learned how to play him.

To answer your question, I don't know. But I'll say this. Even if you had to go with your young practice squad guy, you wouldn't win now, but you would get a take on his ability to be developed, and therefore illuminate the road ahead so as to not waste more time and talent.

The league has learned how to play him a bit and the offensive line has gone to crap the past two seasons with no effort made to improve it and a QB coach who didn't seem to help Kapernick was made OC and hasn't shown much innovation in his game plans.

You want to see Dylan Thompson suit it up this Sunday?

You know that's not what I said. Please be intellectually honest. Play Gabbert, and see what he's learned the last two years. He did get the ball out quickly and to the right guy before the pass rush could get to him in pre season way better than Kaepernick. It was pre season. Let's see him do it now, and find out.

Originally posted by SofaKing:

Originally posted by leakyfausett:

Andrew Luck comeback win. Something Kap does not do.

Since 2013, when both QBs were full-time 16 game starters:

Kap: 6 4th quarter comebacks, 6 game-winning drives
Luck: 6 4th quarter comebacks, 6 game-winning drives

- Kap came back from a 17 point deficit in a conference championship game, and won. No turnovers in that game.

- Luck got blown out twice in back-to-back years, committing turnover after turnover.

I get it, Kap was brutal this past week. I've been harshly critical of his performance. But people have to stop using absolutes like Kap can't do this, X player does this. Kap has never done this, X player always does it. It's bogus, lazy commentary.

Pwned.

Originally posted by BOI49er:

You know that's not what I said. Please be intellectually honest. Play Gabbert, and see what he's learned the last two years. He did get the ball out quickly and to the right guy before the pass rush could get to him in pre season way better than Kaepernick. It was pre season. Let's see him do it now, and find out.

I just don't think the ceiling is that high for Gabbert.

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by SofaKing:

Originally posted by leakyfausett:
Andrew Luck comeback win. Something Kap does not do.

Since 2013, when both QBs were full-time 16 game starters:

Kap: 6 4th quarter comebacks, 6 game-winning drives
Luck: 6 4th quarter comebacks, 6 game-winning drives

- Kap came back from a 17 point deficit in a conference championship game, and won. No turnovers in that game.

- Luck got blown out twice in back-to-back years, committing turnover after turnover.

I get it, Kap was brutal this past week. I've been harshly critical of his performance. But people have to stop using absolutes like Kap can't do this, X player does this. Kap has never done this, X player always does it. It's bogus, lazy commentary.

Pwned.

Meh, Luck has never had the defenses Kaepernick has. Remember 49ers defense shut out the Falcons in the 2nd half and it took until 5 minutes left in the game before the 49ers FINALLY took the lead in that game. Just saying.

Originally posted by SofaKing:

Last year his QB rating was 86.4. The two other seasons he was 90+. Not a down year in 2013, he nearly went to the SB for the 2nd straight season. He never plunged to the depths of the 70s, or in the case of Manning, the 60's in QB rating.

He's in year 3 as a full-time starter. Those seasons for the above QBs happened in Year 3, 5, 6, and 10.

So you tell me, since these QBs are natural pocket passers, understand their progressions, are "real" QBs,.. and all that good stuff.....how is it they had such terrible seasons? They had quality skill positions players to throw to, go look up their rosters. What was their excuse? Since there is no excuse for Kap, he just sucks, right?

I just pointed out 3 highly regarded QBs in a span of a few seasons that had down years worse than Kap's. There's many more throughout NFL history if you take the time to look, and yet people continue to blow it off like it never happened, and that Kap's situation is somehow "different" and that he could "never" overcome it.

People want to doubt Kap, and that's fine. Completely warranted. I have my doubts as well, but I wouldn't close the book on him just yet. We still have 13 games to play.

Those guys did what Kaep couldn't, and that's finish.
And his QB rating has been dropping every year. That's a fact. Up until this year, Kaep wasn't asked to win games. He let frank Gore and our defense do that.
There a reason teams say make his arm beat us.

And I said let him start, but if he bombs like he did last week. Pull him for the night. The team deserves better, and we deserve better

Originally posted by Stud:
Meh, Luck has never had the defenses Kaepernick has. Remember 49ers defense shut out the Falcons in the 2nd half and it took until 5 minutes left in the game before the 49ers FINALLY took the lead in that game. Just saying.

And Luck has thrown 12 INTs in 6 playoff games. His defense ain't responsible for that s**t.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by BOI49er:

You know that's not what I said. Please be intellectually honest. Play Gabbert, and see what he's learned the last two years. He did get the ball out quickly and to the right guy before the pass rush could get to him in pre season way better than Kaepernick. It was pre season. Let's see him do it now, and find out.

I just don't think the ceiling is that high for Gabbert.

You may be right. He was a top 10 overall pick that had no chance of success on that awful team as a brand new guy to the league. He's had time to learn now, and I just don't think we're in a position to judge where he's at now, or how far he can go. Do I believe he reads defenses better than Kaepernick's? Yes.

Originally posted by LaMattsBlue:

Originally posted by Stud:

Meh, Luck has never had the defenses Kaepernick has. Remember 49ers defense shut out the Falcons in the 2nd half and it took until 5 minutes left in the game before the 49ers FINALLY took the lead in that game. Just saying.

And Luck has thrown 12 INTs in 6 playoff games. His defense ain't responsible for that s**t.

If Luck was your QB right now, would you trade him for Kaepernick?

Originally posted by Baldie:

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
If we build the trenches and get a competent OC, Kap is all the QB we need.

He's not great, but he is dynamic.

His decision making is still in question. Maybe letting him be himself is screwing up the work he put in with warner.

Thats why we build the trenches; so we can run Hyde and protect Kap. In 2012 and 2013 Kap was stellar against some extrodinary teams and contrary to popular belief, it wasn't the defense that saved the day. Kap can be a very effective QB under the right tootulage and right system (not asked to do too much) and based on his salary structure, he's very affordable. My fear is this poop show will give ownership the excuse to dump Kap (really to save money) and plug in a lesser QB like Gabbert. Lets face it, the Yorks run the team as a business first. And not as a business for the benefit of the team. Its a business first to benefit the Yorks.

Originally posted by solidg2000:

Originally posted by LaMattsBlue:

Originally posted by Stud:

Meh, Luck has never had the defenses Kaepernick has. Remember 49ers defense shut out the Falcons in the 2nd half and it took until 5 minutes left in the game before the 49ers FINALLY took the lead in that game. Just saying.

And Luck has thrown 12 INTs in 6 playoff games. His defense ain't responsible for that s**t.

If Luck was your QB right now, would you trade him for Kaepernick?

f**k no!! No GM in the league would trade Luck for Kap. NO ONE

Originally posted by solidg2000:

Those guys did what Kaep couldn't, and that's finish.
And his QB rating has been dropping every year. That's a fact. Up until this year, Kaep wasn't asked to win games. He let frank Gore and our defense do that.
There a reason teams say make his arm beat us.

And I said let him start, but if he bombs like he did last week. Pull him for the night. The team deserves better, and we deserve better

Could you please define "Finish"?

Originally posted by LaMattsBlue:
And Luck has thrown 12 INTs in 6 playoff games. His defense ain't responsible for that s**t.

Colts defense is also giving up almost 30 points a game in those 6 games, including giving up 40 points 3 times.

Originally posted by solidg2000:

Originally posted by LaMattsBlue:

Originally posted by Stud:
Meh, Luck has never had the defenses Kaepernick has. Remember 49ers defense shut out the Falcons in the 2nd half and it took until 5 minutes left in the game before the 49ers FINALLY took the lead in that game. Just saying.

And Luck has thrown 12 INTs in 6 playoff games. His defense ain't responsible for that s**t.

If Luck was your QB right now, would you trade him for Kaepernick?

what does that have to do with anything? the Colts were in position to draft Luck....# 1 overall...

we were in position to draft Kap in the 2nd round.

that post is about stats and facts... you are bringing up something unrealistic.

We can't trade for Luck...but damn would you bet on Luck in a Playoff game against a tough team... bet the House?

Kap
... bud, the pocket is your enemy. AVOID it.
...first game you threw from a bunch of different launch pads. Geep, JT, Logan all made a big deal about it. You were moving around and were very successful. Do that for the Pack game and thereafter and you will be a lot more successful.
...in the pocket you throw off your back foot......AVOID doing that and stay out of the pocket...again.
....over 65% of Rodgers passes are gone in 1.8 sec, and most of the rest gone in under 2 secs. HIs average pass on 2/3 of plays is....under 5 yds. HIs OL can't pass block and neither can yours. Take a page right out of his playbook and get that ball gone in under 1.8 seconds. Eli says 1.9 seconds but you get the idea.
...your 4 INTs all looked like you were on PLUTO. You were out of it. Look, learn the play routes in your head, memorize the 3 routes of your favorite receivers. Torrey. Anquan and Celek. Then learn to throw to them on their breaks. It works. Waiting on them to come open got you INTs every time. Easy to fix, but you have to trust your memory and know where their routes are without looking. Trust yourself.
probably a good idea not throwing to Vernon. I dunno, maybe he's on PLUTO too.

Well there are a handful of takeaways, you can do with as you wish. But all apply to you and if Geep doesn't call them, tell him to. Honestly, i wanted to see you sit out the next two games to get your head on straight. You just need to do a few things and you'll be fine. Pretend like there isn't even a R side of the line, and that will be about accurate. It will make you throw with only 1 step or maybe even no steps. Try it, kap...you need to get better and here are a couple obvious things that will work. But make it a point to get your passes gone in under 1.8 seconds. You will be glad you did.