Colin Kaepernick Thread

We use to love Jose Cortez for a minute until he started to suck

Originally posted by ninersrule4:

Originally posted by solidg2000:

Originally posted by LaMattsBlue:

Originally posted by Stud:
Meh, Luck has never had the defenses Kaepernick has. Remember 49ers defense shut out the Falcons in the 2nd half and it took until 5 minutes left in the game before the 49ers FINALLY took the lead in that game. Just saying.

And Luck has thrown 12 INTs in 6 playoff games. His defense ain't responsible for that s**t.

If Luck was your QB right now, would you trade him for Kaepernick?

f**k no!! No GM in the league would trade Luck for Kap. NO ONE

Well..... I wouldn't put it past our GM (and especially owner). He's made some Ballsy moves in the past

I was afraid that Alex was so bad that the next guy was appear amazing regardless if he was decent or not. Kap doesn't seem to be the long term answer. Too bad we're stuck with him for at least 2 or 3 years.

Originally posted by fister30:

I was afraid that Alex was so bad that the next guy was appear amazing regardless if he was decent or not. Kap doesn't seem to be the long term answer. Too bad we're stuck with him for at least 2 or 3 years.

No we're not.

Well, I forgot what e-mail and password I used for my account so I had to make another one. I promised I wouldn't post till the season started. Stoney333, where you at?

The piper has come to get paid.

Yes, compare Kap to Aaron Rodgers...his level of quarterbacking is so attainable lol

If only Kap had the benefit of sitting behind a QB like Favre. He was a very raw prospect coming out of the draft. He finally shifted to being a pocket passer last season. Sacked 52 times. Still getting used to playing with these new players....though most are familiar. I'm not trying to make excuses...he needs to do better, but I'm not ready to move on from him...he has so much more to prove. I want to see him respond with a great game next week. He knows that the pressure is on....

Originally posted by deviledEgg:
We use to love Jose Cortez for a minute until he started to suck

He was good until opposing teams realized how low his trajectory was. Then they started blocking his kicks.

Originally posted by SofaKing:

Originally posted by solidg2000:

Originally posted by SofaKing:

Originally posted by solidg2000:

Yeah and the 49ers as a whole, were far superior then the Colts

What about last year?
49ers as a whole were better then the Colts, yet the 49ers didn't make the playoffs

That's not the point. The point is too many people, when formulating a criticism of Kap, completely throw out anything good he's every done. Only the failures are considered, the successes are thrown out the window.

Conversely, they take another QB, glorify his successes, and completely ignore his failures, as if it never happened. Wiped from the history books.

Idk about you, but that's faulty reasoning to me. If people want to critique Kap' career, I'm cool with that, so long as his entire body of work is presented fairly.

Isnt the point that Kaepernick hasn't been the same since him good/great performances in 2012 and 2013? Last year was a failure of a season, for Kaep and the 49ers.

Kaep went 2-4 inside the division. Should of been 1-5 if it wasn't for the fact we were facing the Cardinals 6th string QB or something like that. The teams who know Kaep, had exposed him for everyone else

I can point out worse down years from QBs more highly regarded than Kap, and they were more experienced than Kap was in some cases.

Ben Roethlisberger
2006 -- 3513 yards, 18 TD, 23 INT, 75.4 rate
2008 -- 3301 yards, 17 TD, 15 INT, 80.1 rate

Joe Flacco
2013 -- 3912 yards, 19 TD, 22 INT, 73.1 rate

Eli Manning
2013 -- 3818 yards, 18 TD, 27 INT, 69.4 rate

All Super Bowl winning QBs. Down seasons for good QBs are not as rare or horrific as people will lead you to believe. Players bounce back all the time, ESPECIALLY players that have experienced some success before.

Thank you I needed that. Not sure I think he can bounce back anymore, but made me feel better nonetheless.

Originally posted by SofaKing:
I can point out worse down years from QBs more highly regarded than Kap, and they were more experienced than Kap was in some cases.

Ben Roethlisberger
2006 -- 3513 yards, 18 TD, 23 INT, 75.4 rate
2008 -- 3301 yards, 17 TD, 15 INT, 80.1 rate

Joe Flacco
2013 -- 3912 yards, 19 TD, 22 INT, 73.1 rate

Eli Manning
2013 -- 3818 yards, 18 TD, 27 INT, 69.4 rate

All Super Bowl winning QBs. Down seasons for good QBs are not as rare or horrific as people will lead you to believe. Players bounce back all the time, ESPECIALLY players that have experienced some success before.

Stats are for Losers

Originally posted by fister30:
I was afraid that Alex was so bad that the next guy was appear amazing regardless if he was decent or not. Kap doesn't seem to be the long term answer. Too bad we're stuck with him for at least 2 or 3 years.

naaah have you seeen our schedule? Honestly its likely we can manage to finish 3-13 this year, even 2-14 with our only next win being against the browns. Thats enough evidence for a QB change and a #1 overall pick in the draft to acquire that QB

Originally posted by sanjo49er:

Originally posted by SofaKing:
I can point out worse down years from QBs more highly regarded than Kap, and they were more experienced than Kap was in some cases.

Ben Roethlisberger
2006 -- 3513 yards, 18 TD, 23 INT, 75.4 rate
2008 -- 3301 yards, 17 TD, 15 INT, 80.1 rate

Joe Flacco
2013 -- 3912 yards, 19 TD, 22 INT, 73.1 rate

Eli Manning
2013 -- 3818 yards, 18 TD, 27 INT, 69.4 rate

All Super Bowl winning QBs. Down seasons for good QBs are not as rare or horrific as people will lead you to believe. Players bounce back all the time, ESPECIALLY players that have experienced some success before.

Stats are for Losers

Sofa i think your a great fan, I think you come to the table with legitimate concerns and arguments, But I dont see how comparing those guys' seasons to Kapernicks justifys anything Flacco before his superbowl run was always talked about as being a bad QB. So that bad season of his, people in Baltimore as well as in the media were calling for his head. Bens old years in the 08's they were a completely different team and system than they are now and the steelers were winning with a top 5 defense and run game. And Eli manning has a resume to negate his bad season but Even then, if you visit a new york giants MB or Forum they also want Eli manning GONE regardless of his two superbowl rings. I mean we can compare this and that, But Flacco and Eli mannings fan bases both wanted them out (Eli's still does), and i look at Big Ben as more of the exception than the rule. Big Ben was never looked at as a premier 5k Yard passer with a ton of touchdowns until just a couple of years ago.

Originally posted by KP82:

Originally posted by fister30:
I was afraid that Alex was so bad that the next guy was appear amazing regardless if he was decent or not. Kap doesn't seem to be the long term answer. Too bad we're stuck with him for at least 2 or 3 years.

No we're not.

BOOOOM. Tell em KP

Let us begin. All offseason I was pounded and pounded and pounded on here. Even threatened with violence a couple times. Why? Because I repeatedly pointed out Kaepernicks weakness. A refresher:
His throwing motion, delivery advertises ball placement giving defenders time to jump routes. His head and shoulders also advertise ball placement. Sorry, Warner didn't fix it. Nor did he fix throwing off the back foot. He usually makes up for his slow delivery by throwing the ball 200 mph. Well, that's all well and good for mid range passes, and that's what he's good for. Usually to Boldin. Obviously playing in compressed space is still an issue. It always will be. This is why our redzone passing game is atrocious. Kaepernick passing outside the numbers= fail more times than not. In the redzone we have the added "bonus" of a lack of arc. His accuracy on touch passes is not good. Not only that but yards after the catch have been minimized because of his tendency to give away the intended ball location so we're not running it into the endzone on screens etc. It's pretty much why Roman/Harbaugh didn't even use screens. Matt Maiocco has even admitted this. Passing into the actual endzone? Well, this requires roll outs, bootlegs and play action with Kaepernick. A simplified offense with defined reads. Clear passing lanes. Predictable. Usually to the right side. It. Gets. Shut. Down. Easily defended if that's all you depend on. He is gunshy in the redzone now. We can't score. We won't be a high scoring offense with Colin Kaepernick.

His deep ball accuracy has declined each year. It never was very good in college against teams with halfway good defenses. Reading defenses pre/post snap? Well, he hasn't even been able to see blitzs coming at times. Nevada's offense was so simplistic, and Roman had to cater to this, relying so heavily on roll-outs and simplified reads. Now Chryst is in the same boat. What do you do? Try to create "Kap the passer"? He just can't take the snap from under center, sit in the pocket and pick apart secondaries. It's never going to happen. It's not even going to happen with Roman's, ugh, I mean Chryst's simplified offense.

The O-line you say? Well, Kaepernick hasn't been good at consistently getting rid of the ball before the 3 second mark. A few people here tried and will keep trying to blame Roman for this. For "long developing routes". Preseason this year he was taking 3.34 seconds to pass on average. 2014 he took 3+ seconds more than most QB's in the NFL. Pathetic how Gabbert came in and ran this quick passing system so well egh? Kaepernick was sacked 52 times in 2014 whilst enjoying the third-most time in the NFL- - 2.96 seconds to throw.

One thing he did do this year, so far, was look downfield before running. He did it a couple times against the Vikings. His new found no1 fan Dilfer exaggerated kap's "progress" all game but there was that. he did in fact look downfield before running. OK. Did it produce anything? Not really. Speaking of production- ya, garbage time in the Steelers game. I don't even want to hear it. Late in the third quarter with a 30 point lead defenses let up. and why weren't we passing in the first half when the game mattered? Perhaps because not even Tomsula/Chryst have faith in Kap's passing game anymore. Good lord, I mean, in the Card's game...to run 15 times straight with a 30 point deficit. I question Tomsuala's coaching ability. He should have put Gabbert in the game at that point. Yes. Blaine Gabbert should have been playing in the second half against the Cardinals.

This is all pointless, because the small very vocal and very abusive Kap fan base here will no longer be able to deny the obvious after this season. I'll say it now and I'll say it with confidence just like I did before the season started. Kaepernick will not be a 49er in 2016.

Originally posted by Phil-2:
Let us begin. All offseason I was pounded and pounded and pounded on here. Even threatened with violence a couple times. Why? Because I repeatedly pointed out Kaepernicks weakness. A refresher:
His throwing motion, delivery advertises ball placement giving defenders time to jump routes. His head and shoulders also advertise ball placement. Sorry, Warner didn't fix it. Nor did he fix throwing off the back foot. He usually makes up for his slow delivery by throwing the ball 200 mph. Well, that's all well and good for mid range passes, and that's what he's good for. Usually to Boldin. Obviously playing in compressed space is still an issue. It always will be. This is why our redzone passing game is atrocious. Kaepernick passing outside the numbers= fail more times than not. In the redzone we have the added "bonus" of a lack of arc. His accuracy on touch passes is not good. Not only that but yards after the catch have been minimized because of his tendency to give away the intended ball location so we're not running it into the endzone on screens etc. It's pretty much why Roman/Harbaugh didn't even use screens. Matt Maiocco has even admitted this. Passing into the actual endzone? Well, this requires roll outs, bootlegs and play action with Kaepernick. A simplified offense with defined reads. Clear passing lanes. Predictable. Usually to the right side. It. Gets. Shut. Down. Easily defended if that's all you depend on. He is gunshy in the redzone now. We can't score. We won't be a high scoring offense with Colin Kaepernick.

His deep ball accuracy has declined each year. It never was very good in college against teams with halfway good defenses. Reading defenses pre/post snap? Well, he hasn't even been able to see blitzs coming at times. Nevada's offense was so simplistic, and Roman had to cater to this, relying so heavily on roll-outs and simplified reads. Now Chryst is in the same boat. What do you do? Try to create "Kap the passer"? He just can't take the snap from under center, sit in the pocket and pick apart secondaries. It's never going to happen. It's not even going to happen with Roman's, ugh, I mean Chryst's simplified offense.

The O-line you say? Well, Kaepernick hasn't been good at consistently getting rid of the ball before the 3 second mark. A few people here tried and will keep trying to blame Roman for this. For "long developing routes". Preseason this year he was taking 3.34 seconds to pass on average. 2014 he took 3+ seconds more than most QB's in the NFL. Pathetic how Gabbert came in and ran this quick passing system so well egh? Kaepernick was sacked 52 times in 2014 whilst enjoying the third-most time in the NFL- - 2.96 seconds to throw.

One thing he did do this year, so far, was look downfield before running. He did it a couple times against the Vikings. His new found no1 fan Dilfer exaggerated kap's "progress" all game but there was that. he did in fact look downfield before running. OK. Did it produce anything? Not really. Speaking of production- ya, garbage time in the Steelers game. I don't even want to hear it. Late in the third quarter with a 30 point lead defenses let up. and why weren't we passing in the first half when the game mattered? Perhaps because not even Tomsula/Chryst have faith in Kap's passing game anymore. Good lord, I mean, in the Card's game...to run 15 times straight with a 30 point deficit. I question Tomsuala's coaching ability. He should have put Gabbert in the game at that point. Yes. Blaine Gabbert should have been playing in the second half against the Cardinals.

This is all pointless, because the small very vocal and very abusive Kap fan base here will no longer be able to deny the obvious after this season. I'll say it now and I'll say it with confidence just like I did before the season started. Kaepernick will not be a 49er in 2016.

This is what the the Webzone is for. To express ur opinion.

*EDIT* End of the day no 1 player is bigger then the Team and im still a 49ers fan 16-0 or 0-16.