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Originally posted by TheBlueHell:
Originally posted by Niners816:
Ok things are s**tty in niner land so I decided to look at some happier times. Here is the game winning TD pass in SB23



1988 - "nod with Texas backside"

Jerry motions across to occupy the corner and widen out the safety. Rathman runs a wide route. JT runs a nod from a TE position, nod fools the Defender and he's able to beat the safety inside because safety shading over to help coverage on Jerry. On the backside TE Frank's runs a seam and Roger is running a Texas route.

Here is a replay of JTs Nod

Coach actually diagrams and explains this play at a Stanford coaching clinic. He also gets some nice shots in at Buddy Ryan lol. Fast-forward to 16:00 for his diagram of the play (he actually talks about the entire gamewinning drive for a few minutes before that):


Love that video and that seems to be a much better quality version then I've seen on YouTube before.

Coach Diagramed this:


What's funny is that the actual game winner has the backs flipped. So the Texas route by Craig is on the opposite side of the nod. I love his explanation though of making sure cincy stays in a look we were familiar with.
[ Edited by Niners816 on Sep 13, 2016 at 4:44 PM ]
Originally posted by thl408:

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Bail
Strengths:
- helps defeat deep vertical routes
- good run/pass read

Weakness:
- In/Out breaking routes

CB can align in press or off coverage.


At the snap, the CB opens hips to turn upfield while facing the play.


Vertical route defeated

this is what Revis was playing vs. Marquise Goodwin on TNF. STILL got burned.
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Cover 3 (Middle of Field Closed)

Shown above is the basic player distribution into the 7 zones (3 deep, 4 underneath). There are a variety of ways that Cover3 can be played. The differences in how Cover3 is played will have different strengths and weaknesses. Described here are the three primary versions that Cover3 is played.

The terms 'Sky', 'Cloud', and 'Buzz' indicate which player (position) is the designated run force defender on the strong side of the offensive formation. In Cover3, the defender assigned to the Curl/Flat zones are also tasked with being the run force defender - contain all runs and do not allow any run to get outside - set the edge. By changing which position has this responsibility, it also changes which position is covering the Hook zone, which affectspass coverage.

On a passing play, the two Curl/Flat defenders, weakside and strongside, will usually backpeddle to take away the Curl zone, then as the play develops, allow the QB's eyes to take them to the flat. Since throwing to the flat requires a throw towards the sideline, the immediate threats as the ball is snapped are to the Curl zone. So cover the Curl zone first, then the Flat.

Generally speaking, CBs are the best pass defenders, but are the weakest run defenders. LBs are poor pass defenders compared to a defensive back (Safety, CB). These generic characteristics will determine many of the Strengths/Weaknesses listed below.

Cover 3 Sky
Sky represents "Safety", so a safety is assigned to the strongside Curl/Flat zone.

Strengths:
- Strong safety run force
- Strong safety downhill to attack flat
Weaknesses:
- quick pass to #2 WR as safety is still rotating
- possible disadvantage with Sam LB on TE (if TE is a high end receiving threat)

In all these pics, Black are the deep zones, Red is the force defender (strongside curl/flat), Orange are the other three underneath zones.


Safety rotates to strongside curl/flat


Use momentum from the rotation to attack downhill.



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Cover 3 Cloud
Cloud represents "Cornerback", so a Corner is assigned to the strongside Curl/Flat zone. This is a coverage call usually made when there is a deep threat and the defense wants to aggressively jam that WR at the line.

Strengths:
- can aggressively jam #WR like a Cover2 cornerback. Since the Cloud CB does not have deep zone responsibility, he can jam the WR at the line knowing he has deep safety help
- flat zone pass coverage from cloud CB; Corners are typically the best pass defenders
Weaknesses:
- run contain by cloud CB; Corners are typically the weakest run defenders on the defense
- SS assigned to a deep zone


CB is aggressive at the line to disrupt timing of the WR release. SS rotates over to provide help over the top.



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Cover3 Cloud




Video quality is poor, but just check out the CB playing press at the line, then backpeddling into his Curl/Flat zone.

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Cover 3 Buzz
Buzz represents "Backer" (linebacker), so a Linebacker is assigned to the strongside Curl/Flat zone.

Strengths:
- run contain from Sam; the best LB suited for edge contain
- SS in Hook zone for TE/slot WR coverage over middle of field
- safety rotation can confuse the QB (looks like Cover 1 Robber)
Weaknesses:
- strongside flat coverage (Sam) against pass

With the Sam assigned to the strongside curl/flat, and the Will assigned to the weakside curl/flat, this allows a safety to rotate into one of the Hook zones.


Safety attacks downhill on any short routes in the Hook zone.



Notice how the two safeties rotate in Cover 3 Buzz (above).
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Below is Cover 1 Robber, a man coverage. It's a general rule that Cornerbacks lie, safeties don't lie. Meaning a QB will often key the positions of the safeties to help determine what coverage he is facing. CBs can play off coverage, allowing them to disguise man or zone. It's harder for safeties to disguise since their positioning on the field can give away the coverage.
If there's a safety in the middle of the field (Middle of Field Closed), it's going to be Cover1 or Cover3. If there are two safeties deep, with neither in the middle of the field (Middle of Field Open), it's Cover2 or Cover4.

This is to show how the rotation of the safeties in Cover 1 Robber can look like Cover 3 Buzz.


If the QB is keying the safeties, the SS looks as though he's rotating down to a Hook zone, and the FS to deep middle. Which is exactly what's happening. But the rest of the defenders are in man coverage because it's actually Cover 1 Robber.


A QB that isn't careful and is just keying the safeties can be tricked into seeing something that isn't there.

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Cover 3 "Mable"
The term 'Mable' means 'man coverage'. This type of Cover 3 can be used to combat offensive formations that have Trips to one side of the field and a lone WR on the other (3x1). Mable tells the weakside CB to play man coverage on that single WR, with the rest of the defense playing Cover3 (zone).

Weakside CB locked in man coverage. This call is typically made when that lone WR is to the field side (wide side) and/or has a plus split (far throw for QB). Because that CB vs WR is on an island, might as well lock them up in man coverage.


Cover 3 with the weakside CB in man coverage (back turned to the QB).


Nice. So would Rashard be better off playing that side then? As opposed to Sherman who strictly stays at LCB right?
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Originally posted by SmokeCrabtrees:
Nice. So would Rashard be better off playing that side then? As opposed to Sherman who strictly stays at LCB right?
It's strongside vs weakside that determines which CB gets the Mable call. In the Mable example above, the RCB gets the Mable call because he's on the weakside of the formation. So if the 49ers do this, then it can be either Rashard or the other CB that ends up getting the Mable call to play man coverage. I suppose RR is better suited to do this, but we haven't seen how well (or poorly) RR plays zone, and we don't know who the other CB is. If RR is bad at playing zone, then yeah he's better off being the CB getting the assignment of man coverage when this situation presents itself (Cover3 vs 3x1 formation).

Sherman used to be strictly a LCB, but I think over the past couple seasons SEA has used Sherman to shadow opposing top WRs. So he does play both sides of the field nowadays. On the infamous Sherman tip in the NFCcg, SEA was in a Mable call as Crabs was on the weakside vs Sherman in a 3x1 formation. The other side of the field was in zone coverage.
I'm interested to see how well foster and Eli respond in the various coverages asked of them. I'd like to know what coverages salah favors with our LBs.
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by SmokeCrabtrees:
Nice. So would Rashard be better off playing that side then? As opposed to Sherman who strictly stays at LCB right?
It's strongside vs weakside that determines which CB gets the Mable call. In the Mable example above, the RCB gets the Mable call because he's on the weakside of the formation. So if the 49ers do this, then it can be either Rashard or the other CB that ends up getting the Mable call to play man coverage. I suppose RR is better suited to do this, but we haven't seen how well (or poorly) RR plays zone, and we don't know who the other CB is. If RR is bad at playing zone, then yeah he's better off being the CB getting the assignment of man coverage when this situation presents itself (Cover3 vs 3x1 formation).

Sherman used to be strictly a LCB, but I think over the past couple seasons SEA has used Sherman to shadow opposing top WRs. So he does play both sides of the field nowadays. On the infamous Sherman tip in the NFCcg, SEA was in a Mable call as Crabs was on the weakside vs Sherman in a 3x1 formation. The other side of the field was in zone coverage.

Super late but thx 4 this .
thl408 thank you very very much !!
Your detailed explanations are very helpful !!
Much appreciated.
Thanks
Originally posted by Niners816:
Originally posted by TheBlueHell:
Originally posted by Niners816:
Ok things are s**tty in niner land so I decided to look at some happier times. Here is the game winning TD pass in SB23



1988 - "nod with Texas backside"

Jerry motions across to occupy the corner and widen out the safety. Rathman runs a wide route. JT runs a nod from a TE position, nod fools the Defender and he's able to beat the safety inside because safety shading over to help coverage on Jerry. On the backside TE Frank's runs a seam and Roger is running a Texas route.

Here is a replay of JTs Nod

Coach actually diagrams and explains this play at a Stanford coaching clinic. He also gets some nice shots in at Buddy Ryan lol. Fast-forward to 16:00 for his diagram of the play (he actually talks about the entire gamewinning drive for a few minutes before that):


Love that video and that seems to be a much better quality version then I've seen on YouTube before.

Coach Diagramed this:


What's funny is that the actual game winner has the backs flipped. So the Texas route by Craig is on the opposite side of the nod. I love his explanation though of making sure cincy stays in a look we were familiar with.

The preparation from another coach



Go ahead and call a time out for that qb draw JH. Harbaugh was probably hyperventilating on the side line this time instead of Joe
[ Edited by qnnhan7 on Sep 9, 2017 at 9:06 AM ]
What is a QB wristband good for if the playcall can be communicated to the QB via headset in the helmet?
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Originally posted by communist:
What is a QB wristband good for if the playcall can be communicated to the QB via headset in the helmet?

It's to simplify what is said into the helmet. For example, a 12 word play call that describes the formation, routes, hot, protection can be simplified to four letters: EFTW where each letter represents 3 words on the wristband that describes those four things. The only words spoken over the mic is "eftw", but when the QB reads his wristband, 12 words are spoken in the huddle.
It would be hard to remember all 12 words over the helmet speaker.
[ Edited by thl408 on Nov 12, 2017 at 10:31 PM ]
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by communist:
What is a QB wristband good for if the playcall can be communicated to the QB via headset in the helmet?

It's to simplify what is said into the helmet. For example, a 12 word play call that describes the formation, routes, hot, protection can be simplified to four letters: EFTW where each letter represents 3 words on the wristband that describes those four things. The only words spoken over the mic is "eftw", but when the QB reads his wristband, 12 words are spoken in the huddle.
It would be hard to remember all 12 words over the helmet speaker.
Thank you.

What about Brady's wristband:
http://ftw.usatoday.com/2016/06/tom-brady-play-call-wristband-nfl-new-england-patriots
How do they presumably communicate it to Brady? Just the number?
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NFL Gamepass is doing film sessions with coaches to breakdown concepts and scheme. I'll post them as soon as they are up. Their first video is a good one with Doug Pederson breaking down the reads on Run/Pass Options (packaged plays). If Bill Walsh were alive to today, I think he would dabble a lot with RPOs. Safe, ball control type of plays that takes what the defense gives.



A couple more examples are in this thread:
http://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/niners/182144-all22-analysis-coverages-amp-concepts/page4/#post55
^^^that is f**king awesome that they are doing that.
Good stuff, thl.

That half-and-half OL play Peterson pulled out against the Pats has me interested to see how they build onto that. That was really cool. Shanny needs to steal that lol.
[ Edited by Heroism on Jun 1, 2018 at 10:53 AM ]
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