Joe Montana Legacy Secured

Originally posted by Niners99:
I still challenge anyone to find me video proof of a significant catch that Rice made, where he would've needed tack spray. Montana threw a perfect ball. He didn't need to be Cris Carter.

stickum was a common practice back then. but today's glove is almost like a stickum

Of course its stickum! Who makes a one handed grab with their bare hands. No one! Except maybe gary garrison 100 years ago. Obj is a crock.

Originally posted by natediaz:

Originally posted by LVJay:
Of course he gets rid of the ball fast, no one is disputing that. BUT if you even watched any of his games in the past, you would know that there were times he needed to hold on to the ball longer than two seconds. I guess you don't want to admit that he has had elite talent on the oline pretty much most of his career.

NVM, like I said, if you can't make a case for both when there is a case to be made, just ignore me... you're getting eaten up in here. Go take a nap or something

Montana was mobile and bought a lot of time with his moves >>> Brady moves around a little while in the pocket. You don't think Montana would've faired even better behind some of those elite olines Brady prospered from?? Of course you don't want to bring that up with all your hypotheticals, "what ifs" and what not... please dude lol!!!

It's a little too early to talk about the talent that Brady had / has... for all we know some of those guys will end up in the HOF. That defense back in the day had a lot of talent when Brady worst started.

this is the first time i've heard pats oline are elite. are you serious? normally pats oline is built around bunch of dudes who are easily replaceable. they played with bunch of rookies alot too. and the way brady got abused in the big game tells me pats oline flat out average. they were overmatched against my seahawks. they were overmatched against the falcons. they were overmatched against the broncos last year.

pats oline is a product of brady. brady makes them because brady wears defense down. the biggest difference between rodgers and brady to me is that brady will control the tempo of the game. brady dictates the pace. whenever you play the pats, you play their game. pats don't really have a big game changers. so they are usually methodical in their approach. so pats against a great defense struggle early, but grind the win out at the end because like the falcons they get tired at the end. .

but by no means pats oline are elite group like titans or cowboys. time after time they got exposed in the big game.

L0L Oh okay, you went there, like I said NVM. How old are you, 12? I guess you think Brady has only been playing for 7 years. When it's all said and done, years down the line, we'll all see just how many HOF were on those Brady teams (from the oline to the WRs/TEs, defense and so on).

#ComedyAtBest

Originally posted by robniner:
Based on the trend of this thread, this is gonna be A VERY LONG OFF-SEASON!!!

L0L ... I gotta take a break from the BS.

Originally posted by natediaz:

this is the first time i've heard pats oline are elite. are you serious? normally pats oline is built around bunch of dudes who are easily replaceable. they played with bunch of rookies alot too. and the way brady got abused in the big game tells me pats oline flat out average. they were overmatched against my seahawks. they were overmatched against the falcons. they were overmatched against the broncos last year.

pats oline is a product of brady. brady makes them because brady wears defense down. the biggest difference between rodgers and brady to me is that brady will control the tempo of the game. brady dictates the pace. whenever you play the pats, you play their game. pats don't really have a big game changers. so they are usually methodical in their approach. so pats against a great defense struggle early, but grind the win out at the end because like the falcons they get tired at the end. .

but by no means pats oline are elite group like titans or cowboys. time after time they got exposed in the big game.

Dude please stop the exaggerations trying to hype brady. "The oline has been average." Give me a break.

Koppen mankins light woody waters all made pro bowl at least once solder and vollmer both very reliable guys through the years. Scarnecchia is the dean of oline coaches. Yea. Its all brady. Come on.

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by natediaz:
this is the first time i've heard pats oline are elite. are you serious? normally pats oline is built around bunch of dudes who are easily replaceable. they played with bunch of rookies alot too. and the way brady got abused in the big game tells me pats oline flat out average. they were overmatched against my seahawks. they were overmatched against the falcons. they were overmatched against the broncos last year.

pats oline is a product of brady. brady makes them because brady wears defense down. the biggest difference between rodgers and brady to me is that brady will control the tempo of the game. brady dictates the pace. whenever you play the pats, you play their game. pats don't really have a big game changers. so they are usually methodical in their approach. so pats against a great defense struggle early, but grind the win out at the end because like the falcons they get tired at the end. .

but by no means pats oline are elite group like titans or cowboys. time after time they got exposed in the big game.

Dude please stop the exaggerations trying to hype brady. "The oline has been average." Give me a break.

Koppen mankins light woody waters all made pro bowl at least once solder and vollmer both very reliable guys through the years. Scarnecchia is the dean of oline coaches. Yea. Its all brady. Come on.

Or he'll say DLs were 240lbs back in Joe's days (what year?), maybe a couple of them were, but not a lot were 240lb L0L.

I know (as a whole) the 5 guys protecting Brady are solid (most of his career) and several individuals (different lines throughout the years) will be sniffing HOF with some being 1st Ballots.

#ComedyAtBest

Originally posted by natediaz:

Originally posted by Niners99:
I still challenge anyone to find me video proof of a significant catch that Rice made, where he would've needed tack spray. Montana threw a perfect ball. He didn't need to be Cris Carter.

stickum was a common practice back then. but today's glove is almost like a stickum

So all those deflated balls in the regular season weren't easy to grab, and how long has that been going on?? I'm sure it helped with the stats and what not since it helped WRs catch / hold on to an easier (handling of) ball

AND

"today's glove is almost like a stickum" ... so don't you think this benefits Brady as well? WRs catch / hold onto the baller better with that type of glove... don't you think that would've benefited Montana / his WRs (not only Rice) and all their stats??

Originally posted by LVJay:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by natediaz:
this is the first time i've heard pats oline are elite. are you serious? normally pats oline is built around bunch of dudes who are easily replaceable. they played with bunch of rookies alot too. and the way brady got abused in the big game tells me pats oline flat out average. they were overmatched against my seahawks. they were overmatched against the falcons. they were overmatched against the broncos last year.

pats oline is a product of brady. brady makes them because brady wears defense down. the biggest difference between rodgers and brady to me is that brady will control the tempo of the game. brady dictates the pace. whenever you play the pats, you play their game. pats don't really have a big game changers. so they are usually methodical in their approach. so pats against a great defense struggle early, but grind the win out at the end because like the falcons they get tired at the end. .

but by no means pats oline are elite group like titans or cowboys. time after time they got exposed in the big game.

Dude please stop the exaggerations trying to hype brady. "The oline has been average." Give me a break.

Koppen mankins light woody waters all made pro bowl at least once solder and vollmer both very reliable guys through the years. Scarnecchia is the dean of oline coaches. Yea. Its all brady. Come on.

Or he'll say DLs were 240lbs back in Joe's days (what year?), maybe a couple of them were, but not a lot were 240lb L0L.

I know (as a whole) the 5 guys protecting Brady are solid (most of his career) and several individuals (different lines throughout the years) will be sniffing HOF with some being 1st Ballots.

#ComedyAtBest

he's brady's agent

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
he's brady's agent

L0L, plus he loves the cawks... since he can't make an argument / comparison with ANY cawk player vs Montana, Brady's like his proxy

Originally posted by LVJay:

Or he'll say DLs were 240lbs back in Joe's days (what year?), maybe a couple of them were, but not a lot were 240lb L0L.

I know (as a whole) the 5 guys protecting Brady are solid (most of his career) and several individuals (different lines throughout the years) will be sniffing HOF with some being 1st Ballots.

#ComedyAtBest

don't take my word for it. let's look at the patriots.

1986 patriots dline
http://www.justsportsstats.com/footballroster.php?team=NE&year=1986
LB 6ft 2 228
LB 6ft 3 235
LB 6ft 2 240
NT 6ft 3 278
LB 6ft 5 233
LB 6ft 2 230
NT 6ft 1 257
LB 6ft 3 234
LB 6ft 5 238
NT 6ft 2 266
NT 6ft 4 280
LB 6ft 3 240
LB 6ft 2 220
DT 6ft 3 264

2016 pats dline
http://www.justsportsstats.com/footballroster.php?team=NE&year=2016

DT 6FT 6 324
DT 6FT 2 319
LB 6FT 4 250
DE 6FT 2 268
DE 6FT 3 242
LB 6FT 3 264
DL 6FT 3 315
DL 6FT 3 308
DE 6FT 4 275
DE 6FT 3 260
LB 6FT 4 241
DE 6FT 3 251
DL 6FT 3 264
DT 6FT 2 320

and pats generally have really big nose tackles, but they don't have big ends. they have many LBs undersized tweeners. also keep in mind most of these listed weights for 2016 are combine weights. 1st guy on the list is alan branch who is listed in that website - 6ft 6, 324lb. but branch is a 350lb
http://www.nfl.com/player/alanbranch/2495561/profile

you can look at the growth chart.
http://deadspin.com/chart-the-average-weight-of-nfl-rookies-by-position-a-1490494148

t's worth remembering that these players were, typically, a lot smaller than the NFL behemoths we're so used to today.

just look at the 2 prospects yours truly jimmy harbaugh coached this year at michigan. chris wormley and taco charleton - wormley is 6ft 5 297lb. charleton is 6ft 6 275lb. charleston has a frame to add 10-15lb. i think wormley should drop 5lb if he wants to play the end. if he move inside then he can gain 10lb. and i'm sure harbaugh likes his team to get bigger and stronger. look at the guys he drafted this year. he got some serious size all over the place.

What does this have to do with anything?

Originally posted by natediaz:

Originally posted by LVJay:

Or he'll say DLs were 240lbs back in Joe's days (what year?), maybe a couple of them were, but not a lot were 240lb L0L.

I know (as a whole) the 5 guys protecting Brady are solid (most of his career) and several individuals (different lines throughout the years) will be sniffing HOF with some being 1st Ballots.

#ComedyAtBest

don't take my word for it. let's look at the patriots.

1986 patriots dline
http://www.justsportsstats.com/footballroster.php?team=NE&year=1986
LB 6ft 2 228
LB 6ft 3 235
LB 6ft 2 240
NT 6ft 3 278
LB 6ft 5 233
LB 6ft 2 230
NT 6ft 1 257
LB 6ft 3 234
LB 6ft 5 238
NT 6ft 2 266
NT 6ft 4 280
LB 6ft 3 240
LB 6ft 2 220
DT 6ft 3 264

2016 pats dline
http://www.justsportsstats.com/footballroster.php?team=NE&year=2016

DT 6FT 6 324
DT 6FT 2 319
LB 6FT 4 250
DE 6FT 2 268
DE 6FT 3 242
LB 6FT 3 264
DL 6FT 3 315
DL 6FT 3 308
DE 6FT 4 275
DE 6FT 3 260
LB 6FT 4 241
DE 6FT 3 251
DL 6FT 3 264
DT 6FT 2 320

and pats generally have really big nose tackles, but they don't have big ends. they have many LBs undersized tweeners. also keep in mind most of these listed weights for 2016 are combine weights. 1st guy on the list is alan branch who is listed in that website - 6ft 6, 324lb. but branch is a 350lb
http://www.nfl.com/player/alanbranch/2495561/profile

you can look at the growth chart.
http://deadspin.com/chart-the-average-weight-of-nfl-rookies-by-position-a-1490494148

t's worth remembering that these players were, typically, a lot smaller than the NFL behemoths we're so used to today.

Ok, I'm still waiting... where are the "240 pound DL" guys you always mention about? So far I just see a bunch of Linebackers (LB) averaging 235 lb.

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
What does this have to do with anything?

It's another attempt to circle jerk us into oblivion L0L

Boston sports fans and media lost their credibility a long time ago. They declare all their greats "the best", even before its a legit argument.

This radio host calling Montana "classless" for saying you cant pick a GOAT with all the different era's, is an idiot.

Funny how they never acknowledge that if on two plays, the Seahawks run on 2nd & goal, and Devonte Freeman picks up that block, Tom Brady has 3 rings and 2 SB mvp's.

You can debate whether Brady was gifted a Falcons collapse, but there is ZERO debate that Seattle handed over his 4th ring on a silver platter.

The way Brady won his titles and SB MVP's just doesn't sit right with me. I cant call him the greatest. Great player, seems like a great guy. Hes just not Joe. He made mistakes in the biggest moments. Joe didnt. He lost the biggest game, twice. Joe didn't. He needed his kicker to finish the job 3 times. Joe slaughtered Marino and Elway. He led the drive against Cincy. Brady lucked into a ring when Seattle choked. Brady played a garbage 2.5 quarters and rallied back on a Falcons choke job.

The Patriots SB MVP in 2001 was Adam Vinatieri. Their SB MVP in 2014 was Malcom Butler. Their SB MVP in 2016 was James White. Sorry, but just defaulting MVP to the QB doesn't make him the best ever.

History will only look at results, but Brady and Montana werent the same caliber of SB performer. Its just the truth.

Lol the Boston sports talk radio guy criticizing Montana. Michael Felger is the same Boston douchebag reporter that criticized Al Horford for leaving the Celtics for 1 day to be with his wife and the birth of their 2nd child.

f**k that guy.

Originally posted by VaBeachNiner:

Lol the Boston sports talk radio guy criticizing Montana. Michael Felger is the same Boston douchebag reporter that criticized Al Horford for leaving the Celtics for 1 day to be with his wife and the birth of their 2nd child.

f**k that guy.

"Bird is da greatest of all time. Ted Williams is da greatest of all time. Tauwmm Brady is da greatest of all time. Babby Ohhh is da greatest of all time."

Screw Boston and all their titles. They pouted for decades about the Red Sox and Patriots, even after multiple Celtics dynasties. Then they have this last 15 year run. The babies got their bottle.