Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Originally posted by elguapo:
Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Stop with the loaded teams. They werent all loaded.
Seriously. This guy is annoying posting garbage arguments. It's unbelievable. Montana had loaded teams???? Not in 81 and 84. Think Mcfly. Think. 81 was an average offense with no rb and a few good WRs. No not really. 84 had Craig but that's about it. Dam it's not even close when you are talking sbs.
His argument was nobody's perfect......aaaaaaa. Montana is as close to perfect as they come. Brady was a game manager against the rams and did nothing. He also chocked against the giants twice. He also threw quite a few ints against Seattle. He also threw a huge pick 6 and was a major reason for that 10 to 14 point swing bc New England was already within fg range.
Stop. Just stop. Montana is a better qb. Done. And I got news for you, beating those powerhouses in the 80s were a lot harder then these above average teams Brady had played in the sbs. The rams were the only great team they beat but it was all the defense not Brady. Also they cheated!!! And some more news for you. If Montana went to 7 he would of won all 7. Nothing could stop that guy. Denvers number 1 defense and Montana rolls up 55 (the defense helped on a score) and Brady struggles against the falcons???? What?!!!
Please stop now. There is just too much ammo against Brady.
Lots of stuff in here..... ok 1 by 1
- Your statement that the 84 team had Craig and thats it. I guess Wendell Tyler's 1500 yards from scrimmage that year dont matter? In fact, that 84 team was loaded and one of the best teams the Niners ever had.
- Montana being perfect.. So you just consider Super Bowls or do you not consider his failures 3 straight years in the playoffs from 85-87.
- Those powerhouse teams of the 80s? Cincy was hardly a "powerhouse" team. There only 2 SB appearances ever were against the Niners. Miami had a very good team because of Marino and his historic offense but lets not fool ourselves that they were any good on defense.
I dont know if you were even a fan in the 80s or old enough to have seen Joe play. No, he wasnt perfect. But he was incredible in his 4 SBs.. well at least 3 of them anyway. In a couple of other playoff games (NY Giants and Minnesota) he was awful. In fact, Bill Walsh pulled him out of the game. I promise that never happened to Brady.
The thing I find funny is how so many Niners fans like yourself are such homers. Saying stuff like " Ive got news for you. If Montana had gone to 7 he would have won them all" is just so dumb. Different era. Different opponents. No way to know.
Ive said this before. Joe was my favorite Niner and FB player ever. I never missed a game at the Stick in which he played. He was incredible. BUT.. so is Brady. If you asked most people in the country they would say Brady is the GOAT. In here, I get it.. people will say Joe. The real answer should be... comparing eras is impossible and Joe was the best in the 80s and Brady is the best now. Just like Joe himself says.
Your arguments against what I said are short sighted and plain naive. I'm not a homer just the facts. I did see Montana play those games and so much lol in your points so let's go one by one.
You actually mentioned Wendell Tyler? Really? That's just hilarious. The 84 team had a great secondary and the record was a huge reason why it's considered one of the best teams ever. However since we are talking about Montana vs Brady, it would be wise for you to stick to what made Montana great in 81 and 84 which was little to nothing. He himself was great. He really didn't need much.
I am mainly talking about sb performances but overall performances in playoffs would do just fine. If you want to talk about Montana in 85-87 as failures you best mention how Brady has failed ALOT more times and just bc bellicheat didn't bench Brady when he would get destroyed by Baltimore or Denver doesn't prove your point at all. He had moss and welker and still lost! Too funny. I had a good laugh at that.
As far as powerhouses I wasn't so much referring to Cincinnati but they did have league MVP boomer and ickey woods was a tremendous rb. They had a good defense. I was mainly referring to who they had to go through in the NFC to get there. Wash Chicago nyg and so on. All those teams would of smoked the pats. Brady is not good against a good pass rush in the playoffs as we all know by now. See giants games and even Denver or Baltimore. Montana was much better against pressure. Last time I checked that signifies a great qb. I guess not to you. Montana is better even if I wasn't a Niner fan. 4-0 is a lot better than 5-2 with cheating and no wins over 6 points. Wow. Not a dominant qb but a great one.
And saying Montana would of not won all his sb appearances imo is dumb. Just like you said it would be to say it would be dumb to say he would of. Really? Really? Taking a KC team to the championship game with literally nobody doesn't show you he would of kept winning on a superior niners team? That right there is all the proof you need and shows you don't know much about Montana. Kc fans even acknowledge this so it's not a homer thing at all. But I guess you don't see that among the other glaring weaknesses in this comparison.
I'll just keep laughing at how Brady
got gifted a sb from his game manager mode and tuck rule
Seattle being injured and the worst call of any sb by not running
Playing jake delhomme and almost losing
Playing against a gimpy Owens and almost losing
Playing atl s**tty defense and horrible game planning on the 21 yard line but hey Brady is the best right? With a pick 6 that cost New England at least a 10 point swing not to mention that horrible pass Brady threw to Edelman towards the end of the game that looked like yet another pick not to mention Brady overthrowing passes all game. Yeah. Too funny to even argue. Brady is my favorite qb in today's game but he is below Montana even in an easier era to pass. Done
[ Edited by elguapo on Feb 20, 2017 at 3:07 AM ]
