Joe Montana Legacy Secured

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

No way those teams could compete with the golden teams of the 70's with hall of famers on both sides of the ball. The deflation progression in pro football among the elite teams was going from hall of famers on both sides of the ball to all pros on both sides of the ball to all pros on one side of the ball.

That's the cap at work.

The cap didn't start until 1993 and really didn't start effecting the top teams until 96 or so. As late as 1994, our team was absolutely stacked. The Cowboys were loaded with multiple HOFer and even that 1996 pack team looked like an elite group. They had multiple HOFer. I hated them but they were loaded and the NFL is really kinda lucky Sterling Sharpe had his career ended in 94 or that pack team coulda won a couple. Holmgren had them primed and Favre with the same exception of that first year with the Vikings never looked better.

IMO, the league as a whole was really strong up til the mid 90s. By the late 90s the cap took its toll and gives us the league we have today.

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

I'll call that bluff. What are the little things he does in the pocket to be successful, I must be kidding you.Go ahead I'm all ears.

What bluff? Do you actually watch him play?

He maneuvers the pocket like a pro. Calls out his protection pre snap, steps up and moves around to avoid pressure to get the ball down the field. Gets the ball out quick when it needs to leave quick.

There's a reason why with the same OL in place in 2008 Matt Cassel who is more athletically talented than Brady was sacked more than twice as much as Brady did behind the same OL the year prior.

So what things did Montana do in the pocket that Brady doesnt?

It was like boo hoo, enough with the Dynasties, we want to win too...

#ThenTheCapHit

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

No way those teams could compete with the golden teams of the 70's with hall of famers on both sides of the ball. The deflation progression in pro football among the elite teams was going from hall of famers on both sides of the ball to all pros on both sides of the ball to all pros on one side of the ball.

That's the cap at work.

It goes both ways. Harder to keep stud players on the roster with the cap which makes it harder to win consistently.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
No way those teams could compete with the golden teams of the 70's with hall of famers on both sides of the ball. The deflation progression in pro football among the elite teams was going from hall of famers on both sides of the ball to all pros on both sides of the ball to all pros on one side of the ball.

That's the cap at work.

It goes both ways. Harder to keep stud players on the roster with the cap which makes it harder to win consistently.

There's no doubt about that, but what I think Brodie means is that the best of Brady / Patriots best teams would struggle worse than Joe Namath trying to speak english while attempting to kiss a reporter. #Struggling

Let's face it, the Ravens D back when Lewis was in his prime was the closest thing (since cap hit) to the dominant defenses back in the day (85 Bears, etc.) and they gave the Patriots fits when they had to meet in the playoffs... what more those Dynasty Ds

Originally posted by genus49:

So what things did Montana do in the pocket that Brady doesnt?

Get hit in the head, get slammed on turf, get back up, win games.

Originally posted by LVJay:

There's no doubt about that, but what I think Brodie means is that the best of Brady / Patriots best teams would struggle worse than Joe Namath trying to speak english while attempting to kiss a reporter. #Struggling

Let's face it, the Ravens D back when Lewis was in his prime was the closest thing (since cap hit) to the dominant defenses back in the day (85 Bears, etc.) and they gave the Patriots fits when they had to meet in the playoffs... what more those Dynasty Ds

so he wants to compare salary cap teams that Brady had to work with to non salary cap teams?

Originally posted by midrdan:

Originally posted by genus49:

So what things did Montana do in the pocket that Brady doesnt?

Get hit in the head, get slammed on turf, get back up, win games.

And... laugh about fat, comedians in the stands (John Candy) while not worried about coming from behind to win in regulation (not overtime)... coming as close to a 3peat like nobody else business (Craig fumbles tho)...

Originally posted by midrdan:

Get hit in the head, get slammed on turf, get back up, win games.

One of Brady and Montana was still winning games at 39 years old...

And what pocket skills are those exactly? How do they stand out from any other QB who played back then who won games?

Guess Brady doesn't get slammed on the turf? Give me a break...this is getting pathetic.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by LVJay:
There's no doubt about that, but what I think Brodie means is that the best of Brady / Patriots best teams would struggle worse than Joe Namath trying to speak english while attempting to kiss a reporter. #Struggling

Let's face it, the Ravens D back when Lewis was in his prime was the closest thing (since cap hit) to the dominant defenses back in the day (85 Bears, etc.) and they gave the Patriots fits when they had to meet in the playoffs... what more those Dynasty Ds

so he wants to compare salary cap teams that Brady had to work with to non salary cap teams?

C'mon man, I thought you weren't gonna circle jerk me around like #NateDog in here

I dunno, let's see what he says, I'm sure he'll get around tomorrow, he must be in the east coast, kinda late. And you must be in the west and/or a night owl...

Originally posted by LVJay:

And... laugh about fat, comedians in the stands (John Candy) while not worried about coming from behind to win in regulation (not overtime)... coming as close to a 3peat like nobody else business (Craig fumbles tho)...

So now winning SBs in regulation > winning in OT because the results are different right?

Keep on reaching.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by midrdan:
Get hit in the head, get slammed on turf, get back up, win games.

One of Brady and Montana was still winning games at 39 years old...

And what pocket skills are those exactly? How do they stand out from any other QB who played back then who won games?

Guess Brady doesn't get slammed on the turf? Give me a break...this is getting pathetic.

L0L

A lot of times tho Joe didn't have a pocket

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by LVJay:
And... laugh about fat, comedians in the stands (John Candy) while not worried about coming from behind to win in regulation (not overtime)... coming as close to a 3peat like nobody else business (Craig fumbles tho)...

So now winning SBs in regulation > winning in OT because the results are different right?

Keep on reaching.

Like a toothbrush, man, like a toothbrush

Here is where eras truly make a difference:

Between 1981 and 1996, the average offensive and defensive combined ranking of the eventual SB winner was 4. An example of this would be a team ranked No. 1 in offense and No. 3 in defense (for a combined ranking of 4)

Only one team during the 49ers dynasty era won a SB with a defense outside of the top 10 - the 1983 Raiders. Only one team won with an offense outside of the top 10 - the 1990 Giants.

You had to be stacked to win the SB in that era.

Conversely, between 2001 and 2016 (the Pats dynasty) the average offensive and defensive combined ranking of the eventual SB winner was 9.5. More than double a decline. You had teams in this era win the SB with the 25th rated defense (Giants) or the 20th rated offense (Steelers). And many more examples of lopsided teams (good on offense mediocre on defense or vice versa).

The 2007 Giants, who toppled the all time amazing undefeated Patriots are the only team ever to win a SB finishing outside the top 10 in both offense (14th) and defense (17th) rankings. By comparison, the 1989 Saints finished better than the Giants in both categories - and finished 9-7 - and missed the playoffs.

The show back then was for the elite. Now anyone can participate. It waters down what the Patriots have accomplished.