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May 13, 2015 at 10:30 AM
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Originally posted by SoCold:
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Based on if I had to pick one QB to win a game, I'd take any of those guys over Bradshaw.

Well that's silly, Theismann isn't winning anything with that leg of his

lol.....im talking about when they were in their prime, not today
Oh man, Drew Brees snubbed!

Dude did break the single season passing record and throws for darn near 5000 yards every year.

He's thrown for 5000 4 times and last year had 4,952 - that's like leaving a 30 ft put 2 inches short - it really should count.

Even if you say, "today, 5000 yards is like 4000 yards 30 years ago". That may be true, but Joe never passed for 4000 and Steve only did it twice.
May 13, 2015 at 10:37 AM
^^^ True. Brees belongs on the list and not near the bottom.
May 13, 2015 at 10:45 AM
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Joe and Steve never threw for 4000 or 5000 yards back then, but I bet Brees and some of the youngsters that was mentioned above could have never thrown for that much yardage back then as well..

todays WRs are basically runining around w/no defenders.. they don't have to deal with the Ol' bump & run coverage...

Can you imagine what kind of numbers Steve Largent would put up in today's game?? if the guy can handle the bump n run then, can you imagine what he would do in today's Tampa Two?? lol
May 13, 2015 at 10:50 AM
Originally posted by 9moon:
Joe and Steve never threw for 4000 or 5000 yards back then, but I bet Brees and some of the youngsters that was mentioned above could have never thrown for that much yardage back then as well..

todays WRs are basically runining around w/no defenders.. they don't have to deal with the Ol' bump & run coverage...

Can you imagine what kind of numbers Steve Largent would put up in today's game?? if the guy can handle the bump n run then, can you imagine what he would do in today's Tampa Two?? lol
Exactly. I absolutely despise seeing those infographics that compare, say, Kaepernick to Young. "Through 40 starts, these are there numbers: 40 TD, 12 INT, 225 yards/game"... uh, guess what, comparing their numbers outright is futile.
May 13, 2015 at 10:54 AM
I wonder if QB rating is a better way to compare QB's from different eras. I'm guessing there is something wrong with that as well, but I wonder.
May 13, 2015 at 10:57 AM
Where are these stats coming from? Except for one year, joe averaged less than 1 int per game and was always among the league leaders in pass attempts. He played in an era where receivers could get chucked. He was pretty much top 10 in qb rankings his entire career. 110 all time? wut?
May 13, 2015 at 11:08 AM
Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Where are these stats coming from? Except for one year, joe averaged less than 1 int per game and was always among the league leaders in pass attempts. He played in an era where receivers could get chucked. He was pretty much top 10 in qb rankings his entire career. 110 all time? wut?

I can't find ANY metric that has Montana ranked at #110. As I posted above,

Which stats have Montana at #110 all time? He's #13 all time in yardage. He's #4 all time in playoff yardage, one spot above John Elway. He's #11 all time in TD passes and #2 all time in playoff TD passes. What "stats" have you dug up that put Joe Montana at #110 at anything. I'd really like to know."

SoCold is the one who posted the #110 number. So maybe he can enlighten us.
May 13, 2015 at 11:24 AM
Originally posted by 9moon:
Joe and Steve never threw for 4000 or 5000 yards back then, but I bet Brees and some of the youngsters that was mentioned above could have never thrown for that much yardage back then as well..

todays WRs are basically runining around w/no defenders.. they don't have to deal with the Ol' bump & run coverage...

Can you imagine what kind of numbers Steve Largent would put up in today's game?? if the guy can handle the bump n run then, can you imagine what he would do in today's Tampa Two?? lol
Point taken, but Young did throw for 4000 yards twice and one year was really close
May 13, 2015 at 11:28 AM
I think the best thing about Joe - and what makes him the GOAT was his magical ability. The guy just had a magic about him. When you look at 4 of Tom's SB's, he lost 2, and then one one by a kicker and the other by the opposing OC...
Peyton has always been mechanical in his wins as well.

Joe was just magical. He had a way to pull wins out of his butthole, even when winning didn't make sense.
May 13, 2015 at 11:30 AM
Originally posted by Jesu80ncleats:
Point taken, but Young did throw for 4000 yards twice and one year was really close

Correct! Steve Young '93: 4023; '94: 3969; '98: 4170
May 13, 2015 at 11:34 AM
Originally posted by 9moon:
Joe and Steve never threw for 4000 or 5000 yards back then, but I bet Brees and some of the youngsters that was mentioned above could have never thrown for that much yardage back then as well..

todays WRs are basically runining around w/no defenders.. they don't have to deal with the Ol' bump & run coverage...

Can you imagine what kind of numbers Steve Largent would put up in today's game?? if the guy can handle the bump n run then, can you imagine what he would do in today's Tampa Two?? lol

true, but, like I said, even if you say 5000 today is like 4000 then, he still excels. If 5000 yards was so easy, then you should see Tom and Peyton and Rodgers and Luck throwing for 5000. As far as yards per season, the guy is the Dan Marino of his time(which Marino did throw for 5000 in 84 - so it is possible.... just sayin...).
May 13, 2015 at 11:45 AM
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there are a millions ways to argue stats to make a QB look better than another

there have only been a handful to win multiple SB's and be good at the highest level

this is how I see things

There's like 24 current era QB's in the HOF, all great in their own right.
May 13, 2015 at 11:47 AM
Originally posted by SoCold:
there are a millions ways to argue stats to make a QB look better than another

there have only been a handful to win multiple SB's and be good at the highest level

this is how I see things

There's like 24 current era QB's in the HOF, all great in their own right.

Millions of ways? Great. Then I'm sure you can explain your argument that Montana was "#110 in stats." Which particular stats have Joe Montana at #110?
May 13, 2015 at 12:33 PM
Originally posted by crake49:
Originally posted by SoCold:
there are a millions ways to argue stats to make a QB look better than another

there have only been a handful to win multiple SB's and be good at the highest level

this is how I see things

There's like 24 current era QB's in the HOF, all great in their own right.

Millions of ways? Great. Then I'm sure you can explain your argument that Montana was "#110 in stats." Which particular stats have Joe Montana at #110?
Career rushing yards for a QB duh
May 13, 2015 at 12:39 PM
Montana is #13 all time in regular season passing yards and #11 in passing touchdowns. How the eff could he be ranked #110 all time considering his playoff exploits as well???
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