Joe Montana Legacy Secured

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Obviously, you didn't see the game. No one's giving anyone a pass. But, only a person ignorant of the game would say he played like garbage. Your prejudices are showing.

Oh, right, because Jerry Rice fumbled a guaranteed touchdown away, right? Okay, well, since we're playing Alternate Universe Facts, we'll say that Wes Welker didn't drop this game-sealing pass [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pT6XziIQ5RI], and that Tom Brady actually won six Super Bowls! Montana didn't play like crap, and Brady didn't lose the game!

The stat line speaks for itself. Montana played like crap, with or without unfortunate luck from Rice.

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

The 9ers did that to Joe too.

He won a super bowl.

OHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!! WELLL SERVED!!!

it's well documented patriots are very cheap. just look at how they aren't going to give a long term deal to hightower. they won't even franchise tag him. they let go of 29 year old richard seymour. they let go deion branch who wasn't a dominant player, but had a good chemistry with brady. let go of welker who was declining, but still clearly had few years left in him.

they do this because they are in a salary cap era, and they have brady. niners had a good team around montana almost always because they didn't have to worry about the salary cap.

but i won't blame 49-3 all on montana. it's a team game. everybody gets little bit of blame. at the end of the day teams win. no 1 player can win the game by himself. montana doesn't win if clark doesn't catch. eli doesn't win if tyree doesn't catch. this whole 4-0 is silly because it's a team game. you gotta look at the whole package.

Originally posted by natediaz:

it's well documented patriots are very cheap. just look at how they aren't going to give a long term deal to hightower. they won't even franchise tag him. they let go of 29 year old richard seymour. they let go deion branch who wasn't a dominant player, but had a good chemistry with brady. let go of welker who was declining, but still clearly had few years left in him.

they do this because they are in a salary cap era, and they have brady. niners had a good team around montana almost always because they didn't have to worry about the salary cap.

but i won't blame 49-3 all on montana. it's a team game. everybody gets little bit of blame. at the end of the day teams win. no 1 player can win the game by himself. montana doesn't win if clark doesn't catch. eli doesn't win if tyree doesn't catch. this whole 4-0 is silly because it's a team game. you gotta look at the whole package.

I think you missed my point.

Originally posted by theduke85:

Oh, right, because Jerry Rice fumbled a guaranteed touchdown away, right? Okay, well, since we're playing Alternate Universe Facts, we'll say that Wes Welker didn't drop this game-sealing pass [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pT6XziIQ5RI], and that Tom Brady actually won six Super Bowls! Montana didn't play like crap, and Brady didn't lose the game!

The stat line speaks for itself. Montana played like crap, with or without unfortunate luck from Rice.

As i suspected. You're thirteen and only saw highlights. Anyway the niners were COMPLETELY PULVERIZED that game in every conceivable way. Joe played a crappy game because every player on offense was COMPLETELY MANHANDLED. No one could perform in that game, not even your man crush tom brady. Joe woke up the thursday after the game.

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by theduke85:

Originally posted by fortyninerglory:
And for the record 4-0 in the big dance is better than 5-2. If you don't see this then you've never played competitive sports.

A true competitor wouldn't want to lose 3-49 to the Giants in the divisional round. A true competitor wouldn't want to lose 24-36 the Vikings, and play so poorly that he was benched for his backup in the 3rd quarter.

But hey, those games didn't happen in the "big dance", so let's continue sweeping them under the rug and pretend they didn't happen.

You're blaming the 49-3 beatdown on Joe? You can't be serious. Did you watch that game?

I did . Joe didnt play well at all nor did he play well for 3 straight seasons in the playoffs from 85-87. In fact, he threw ZERO Tds and 4 interceptions in these 3 games. Does it not matter that he failed in these 3 games instead of Superbowls? It does seem to me that losing and playing poorly in any playoff game should matter. Yet, some people in here think Joe was perfect.

Joe didnt lose the 49-3 game by himself but he certainly gets part of the blame. You just cant try to give him ALL the credit for the SB wins and then give him no blame for the playoff failures.

Originally posted by natediaz:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

The 9ers did that to Joe too.

He won a super bowl.

OHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!! WELLL SERVED!!!

it's well documented patriots are very cheap. just look at how they aren't going to give a long term deal to hightower. they won't even franchise tag him. they let go of 29 year old richard seymour. they let go deion branch who wasn't a dominant player, but had a good chemistry with brady. let go of welker who was declining, but still clearly had few years left in him.

they do this because they are in a salary cap era, and they have brady. niners had a good team around montana almost always because they didn't have to worry about the salary cap.

but i won't blame 49-3 all on montana. it's a team game. everybody gets little bit of blame. at the end of the day teams win. no 1 player can win the game by himself. montana doesn't win if clark doesn't catch. eli doesn't win if tyree doesn't catch. this whole 4-0 is silly because it's a team game. you gotta look at the whole package.

They are following Walsh's theory: It's better to get rid of a player while he still has a little left, than to keep him too long.

On a side note, is it really fair to blame the Niners for winning in non-cap years? My thought is, it didn't give them an advantage, as every team had that option. Where as Tuck rule, recording other teams, that was a pretty specific advantage to the pats.

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

The 9ers did that to Joe too.

He won a super bowl.

OHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!! WELLL SERVED!!!

I'd say who Montana had in his early years trumps who Brady had in his early years. And if Caldwell didn't drop two huge plays vs Indy or the Pats D doesn't completely collapse they're easily beating the Bears to bring Brady to 4-0 in his first 6 years starting which would be unheard of.

See how what ifs work?

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
As i suspected. You're thirteen and only saw highlights. Anyway the niners were COMPLETELY PULVERIZED that game in every conceivable way. Joe played a crappy game because every player on offense was COMPLETELY MANHANDLED. No one could perform in that game, not even your man crush tom brady. Joe woke up the thursday after the game.

you dont even have to watch the game to draw to a conclusion that the entire team got dominated including the QB in a 49-3 game. that's just like beating up lowly broncos 55-10. everybody crapped their pants including montana and rice. crap happens to a great player.

that giants team was something else. they were ferocious. BB figured niners out on the previous outing when they came back to beat them. BB made an adjustments. niners didn't.

Originally posted by natediaz:
you dont even have to watch the game to draw to a conclusion that the entire team got dominated including the QB in a 49-3 game. that's just like beating up lowly broncos 55-10. everybody crapped their pants including montana and rice. crap happens to a great player.

that giants team was something else. they were ferocious. BB figured niners out on the previous outing when they came back to beat them. BB made an adjustments. niners didn't.

um no the two games werent the same at all, physically.

just watch the giant game.

Originally posted by natediaz:

you dont even have to watch the game to draw to a conclusion that the entire team got dominated including the QB in a 49-3 game. that's just like beating up lowly broncos 55-10. everybody crapped their pants including montana and rice. crap happens to a great player.

that giants team was something else. they were ferocious. BB figured niners out on the previous outing when they came back to beat them. BB made an adjustments. niners didn't.

I love how everyone s**ts on that Broncos team. They had the number 1 scoring defense and the number 3 defense based on yards. A HOF QB and was making their 3 SB appearance in 4 years.

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by theduke85:
Oh, right, because Jerry Rice fumbled a guaranteed touchdown away, right? Okay, well, since we're playing Alternate Universe Facts, we'll say that Wes Welker didn't drop this game-sealing pass [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pT6XziIQ5RI], and that Tom Brady actually won six Super Bowls! Montana didn't play like crap, and Brady didn't lose the game!

The stat line speaks for itself. Montana played like crap, with or without unfortunate luck from Rice.

As i suspected. You're thirteen and only saw highlights. Anyway the niners were COMPLETELY PULVERIZED that game in every conceivable way. Joe played a crappy game because every player on offense was COMPLETELY MANHANDLED. No one could perform in that game, not even your man crush tom brady. Joe woke up the thursday after the game.

Dude, I don't care if you watched the game or not. First of all, the game was over 30 years ago. You're acting like you remember it clear as day. You can't hold an objective opinion on stuff that happened a week ago, how am I supposed to believe that you can hold an objective opinion on something that happened 30 years ago? I can only imagine what sort of revisionist history goes on in your head when you replay that game in your mind.

Seriously, your "statistically, 4-0 in the Super Bowl is more improbable" is one of the most asinine things I've read on this board. That's not even hyperbole. I'm just dumbfounded that you can somehow rationalize that in your head. And then in a game where Joe Montana had 0 TD, 2 INT and a 33 passer rating, you try to argue that he "didn't play bad". Good grief.

Acknowledging greatness -- even if it means conceding a player is better than one of our own -- has nothing to do with a "man crush", it's basic sportsmanship, something that insecure homers like yourself are apparently completely devoid of. I enjoy debating topics like that, but you have b*****dized this conversation so many times that you've basically entered elguapo territory where it's not even worth engaging you anymore.

Originally posted by Niners816:
I love how everyone s**ts on that Broncos team. They had the number 1 scoring defense and the number 3 defense based on yards. A HOF QB and was making their 3 SB appearance in 4 years.

you've missed my obvious point earlier. niners were loaded. they were the greatest show on earth. no team that day would've beaten the niners. that team is considered top 3 greatest team ever by a reason.

no team in the SB is bad. but when a team beats 55-10 that means it's a mismatch.

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
um no the two games werent the same at all, physically.

just watch the giant game.

niners weren't prepared for the physicality and speed of the giants. i think niners flat out quit that day. it happens.

Originally posted by natediaz:

niners weren't prepared for the physicality and speed of the giants. i think niners flat out quit that day. it happens.

No they got beat up. They were hurt going in and got beat up. Banks reasons carson taylor. Ouch.