Joe Montana Legacy Secured

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

I don't recall anyone being charged or convicted of felony drug use for using the Clear or the Cream. I don't have a problem with players using PEDs to recover from workouts and games.

Do you think Brady is using HGH or any other banned substances?

That's because the Feds go after the suppliers not the users in that scenario. Bonds almost went down for possibly lying about it but that just ended up being a waste of $.

We're not going to convince each other whether he was innocent or guilty I won't waste my time on that.

They reached hard to go after Bonds, the whole BALCO investigation started because Jeff Novitsky, a frustrated failed athlete, thought he was an ***hole and wanted to see him go down.
"That Bonds. He's a great athlete," Internal Revenue Service criminal investigator Jeff Novitzky told California Bureau of Narcotics Enforcement agent Iran White three or four years ago, according to White's account, as reported in a remarkable May 2004 Playboy article. "You think he's on steroids?" When White reckoned that Bonds was, Novitzky reportedly answered: "He's such an a*****e to the press... I'd sure like to prove it."
http://reason.com/archives/2004/12/08/george-bush-vs-barry-bonds
If they had any reason to charge Bonds with felony drug use they would have. Instead they charged him with a dozen other things they couldn't prove.


I don't see it as an issue as simple as innocent or guilty. Dude used substances (clear and Cream) not identified as illegal to recover from workouts faster. I don't see that as being worse than tampering with equipment or spying on other teams.

Originally posted by 9erReign:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by PrisonOfGlass:

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

If we get 8 SBs out of Jimmy G in the same fashion....,,,

All of us would be calling him GOAT

I agree. I think people are reaching with Montana's Super Bowl stats. They're great but I'll take 5-2 (likely 6-2 soon) any day.

What about 5-3?

Montana is a better Super Bowl QB than Brady.

Silliest argument ever. Not making the playoffs or getting knocked out of the playoffs before the SB is even worse than losing a SB. Going to a SB >>>>> not going to a SB. Brady is the GOAT and it isn't even close anymore. End of the day winning SB's is the only number that matters.

Originally posted by jcs:

End of the day Brady is going to have 6sb wins over 4 and every statistical career passing record in existence.

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by jcs:

End of the day Brady is going to have 6sb wins over 4 and every statistical career passing record in existence.

You think he catches Manning in yards/ TD's. He needs 2 more years of Brady play. At 41 next year he may not make it.

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by jcs:

End of the day Brady is going to have 6sb wins over 4 and every statistical career passing record in existence.

You think he catches Manning in yards/ TD's. He needs 2 more years of Brady play. At 41 next year he may not make it.

I bet her plays at a high level for at least 3 more years. If anything he'll be given the opportunity to try.

Originally posted by lamontb:
wtf This is now a Barry Bonds thread. I didn't see that one coming

Originally posted by 9moon:
Brady will have more rings and better stats than Joe.. that will be a given.. but the mere fact is, 5 to 10 years from now, people ON THE ZONE will STILL argue who is the BETTER between the two.. that alone will tell me that Brady is NOT the hands down BEST OF ALL TIME..

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by jcs:
End of the day Brady is going to have 6sb wins over 4 and every statistical career passing record in existence.

You think he catches Manning in yards/ TD's. He needs 2 more years of Brady play. At 41 next year he may not make it.

Originally posted by ChazBoner:

Originally posted by 9moon:
Brady will have more rings and better stats than Joe.. that will be a given.. but the mere fact is, 5 to 10 years from now, people ON THE ZONE will STILL argue who is the BETTER between the two.. that alone will tell me that Brady is NOT the hands down BEST OF ALL TIME..

amended for accuracy.

everyone outside of homer niner fans know Brady is the GOAT.

Originally posted by smithgdwg:

Originally posted by DonaldTrump:

Originally posted by pdizo916:
Brady didn't have to cheat to be great. Barry Bonds is a known cheater and is hated by most people. Tom Brady is a cheater and is love by many. Race plays a factor.

can anyone here prove barry bonds used steroids? has he ever legitimately tested positive?

Originally posted by tjd808185:
The one guy gave a decent response but he was basing things off an uneven playing field. He listed the favorites for the playoffs for the 49ers then compared it to just the SB odds for the Pats while neglecting that NE has been underdogs vs the Rams and Seahawks. Not too mention some of those title games v Colts, Broncos.

I think it's fair to say Joe faced better competition but you could argue that he personally had to do less too as teams were much more balanced and defensively oriented. Nowadays Tom is throwing 40 a game and it's all on him.

I'm not saying Tom is better right now I'd call it a slight edge to Joe at least until he wins 6 but everyone has their own obstacles.

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by 9erReign:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by PrisonOfGlass:

Originally posted by blizzuntz:
If we get 8 SBs out of Jimmy G in the same fashion....,,,

All of us would be calling him GOAT

I agree. I think people are reaching with Montana's Super Bowl stats. They're great but I'll take 5-2 (likely 6-2 soon) any day.

What about 5-3?

Montana is a better Super Bowl QB than Brady.

Silliest argument ever. Not making the playoffs or getting knocked out of the playoffs before the SB is even worse than losing a SB. Going to a SB >>>>> not going to a SB. Brady is the GOAT and it isn't even close anymore. End of the day winning SB's is the only number that matters.

End of the day Brady is going to have 6sb wins over 4 and every statistical career passing record in existence.