Joe Montana Legacy Secured

Originally posted by RonMexico:

Originally posted by babarvaart:
Montana won 4 in 11 seasons, took Brady like 15 seasons to get there.

And Montana had far less talent around him

Maybe in the first SB win but the Niners were stacked after that. Brady never had a pair of receivers at the same time like Jerry Rice and John Taylor. Plus, Roger Craig was a better back than anyone NE has had. I would say that Montana had more offensive talent at the skills positions than Brady has ever had.

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:

Originally posted by RonMexico:

Originally posted by babarvaart:

Montana won 4 in 11 seasons, took Brady like 15 seasons to get there.

And Montana had far less talent around him

Maybe in the first SB win but the Niners were stacked after that. Brady never had a pair of receivers at the same time like Jerry Rice and John Taylor. Plus, Roger Craig was a better back than anyone NE has had. I would say that Montana had more offensive talent at the skills positions than Brady has ever had.

I was being sarcastic

Originally posted by RonMexico:

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:

Originally posted by RonMexico:

Originally posted by babarvaart:
Montana won 4 in 11 seasons, took Brady like 15 seasons to get there.

And Montana had far less talent around him

Maybe in the first SB win but the Niners were stacked after that. Brady never had a pair of receivers at the same time like Jerry Rice and John Taylor. Plus, Roger Craig was a better back than anyone NE has had. I would say that Montana had more offensive talent at the skills positions than Brady has ever had.

I was being sarcastic

oops.

Originally posted by BarrySandwich:
Anybody that loses twice to Eli Manning in the Superbowl is a disgrace to humanity

THISSSSSSS.

Montana dynasty started off with the Catch. Didn't start off with a made up rule on the spot to turn a fumble into a tuck rule to keep possession.

Here's one I'm very willing to concede:

Brady best career for an NFL quarterback. He won at a very high level for longer than anyone else.

Hands down, cannot dispute it on any level.

Now being the very best QB takes a s***load of analysis to determine. The type that you can isolate theoretically for one season, one game, one drive....
Merely counting rings is simpleton think in my mind to determine GOATs. A lot of people do it, and a lot of people aren't seeing everything.

In some ways, I can appreciate a good argument that Dan Marino is the GOAT.

Naturally that will take everything BUT Lombardi count into consideration, as the question is very simple:

"How many SBs would the 49ers have won in the '80s with Marino?". Some feel he could have won 3 or 4 no problem, and why not?

Brady by the eye test is great, but Montana IMO was better.

And when you go over the highlights of their best 10 games of their career, it is even more apparent.

When it comes down to it, a lot of it is emotional arguing -- pick your favorite first, then tailor your arguments to support them.

We all do it, and I'm sure I'm guilty of it.

So I will ask some of you here to qualitatively break down Montana vs Brady with regards to skillsets purely........throw out win totals, stats, supporting casts........

Let's evaluate them with the brutal honesty we have evaluated AS, CK, etc.

when I was growing up in the 90s lots still called Unitas the best QB, whereas Bradshaw wasn't in the conversation despite having 4 rings.

Originally posted by babarvaart:

when I was growing up in the 90s lots still called Unitas the best QB, whereas Bradshaw wasn't in the conversation despite having 4 rings.

Cause whatever someone saw first is better

Originally posted by RonMexico:

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by verb1der:
The fact that Tom Brady is even being compared to the great Joe Montana should already tell you that these two are equal. They'll both be HOF'ers, with a lot of rings.

Only people in 49er homers and Patriot homers would argue otherwise.

#harshreality

/thread

Flawed logic. To compare does not make equal. You can compare your old Ford with a Ferrari and by your logic that would make them equal.

Brady is a excellent qb. But not the best ever.

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
6 Super Bowls > 4 Super Bowls.

Brady is better.

You need to check the way the rules have been changed in the meantime to protect and favour the qb.

And, by the way, losing does not equal winning.

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by EndAround81:
LOL@ Thread title. Please do the right thing and change it to 'Brady's legacy secured'. Just admit it and get over it. Brady is the GOAT. It's been secured for quite some time. Next ques for Brady is he comparable to MJ?

Brady is a subject for NFL Talk. The comparison with Montana is by no means cut and dried. Comparing players from diffetent era's is next to impossible.

AGREED!!!!!! We can no longer compare players from different eras now that Brady has won more Super Bowls
#blessed

I will say this, there is no QB that gave you that sense of confidence than Joe Montana but,...

Brady is the only QB that has done more with less. Think of Marino. Everyone excuses him by saying he never had a run game or a this or some missing piece. Brady just has that next level of determination and focus.

Originally posted by Joecool:

I will say this, there is no QB that gave you that sense of confidence than Joe Montana but,...

Brady is the only QB that has done more with less. Think of Marino. Everyone excuses him by saying he never had a run game or a this or some missing piece. Brady just has that next level of determination and focus.

Brady had more probowlers and all pros on both sides of the ball than Montana even just offense. I get it coupling the best QB ever with the best receiver ever is one thing but this "Montana had more luxuries" than Brady is ludicrous.

Originally posted by NinerGM:
See this is where I can't go with you. Joe regularly competed against HOFers to get to his SBs and the league was smaller, so was the SEASON itself and had MUCH better QB play. MUCH. Like not even close. And I don't mean yards yards yards everywhere yards. Remember the days when one turnover could seal a team's fate? In the 1st quarter? LOL.

Completely agree. There were 28 teams in the era Montana was winning the SB, not 32. If you have a player pool of 500 players distributed over 28 teams versus 32, which is the better league? Better concentration of athletes in a 28 team league. Montana played in an era where defenders could actually breathe on a WR without drawing a flag. And let's face it, if any of us were the coach of the Seahawks in the last minute and the Falcons in the last 2 minutes ol Tommy boy would probable have 2 more Super Bowl losses. It's a fine line for Brady in being 3-4 versus 5-2. Run Lynch 3 times, run Freeman 3 times...pretty simple.

One game to win in the current NFL that favors offenses, I know who I'd go with.

Originally posted by Joecool:
I will say this, there is no QB that gave you that sense of confidence than Joe Montana but,...

Brady is the only QB that has done more with less. Think of Marino. Everyone excuses him by saying he never had a run game or a this or some missing piece. Brady just has that next level of determination and focus.

Tom Brady is the reason that QB's get treated as if they wear skirts.

If he had to play in the 80's where DL could beat the h-ll out of QB's, he would have been knocked out of the NFL long ago

This thread needed some levity.

Originally posted by tn9er:

Originally posted by Joecool:
I will say this, there is no QB that gave you that sense of confidence than Joe Montana but,...

Brady is the only QB that has done more with less. Think of Marino. Everyone excuses him by saying he never had a run game or a this or some missing piece. Brady just has that next level of determination and focus.

Tom Brady is the reason that QB's get treated as if they wear skirts.

If he had to play in the 80's where DL could beat the h-ll out of QB's, he would have been knocked out of the NFL long ago

Using the rule book as an excuse makes Bradshaw the goat...