Joe Montana Legacy Secured

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:

Bradshaw is clearly one of the four best QB's to ever play the game! With Aikman right behind him!

Wins is Joe's strongest argument too though.

Brady has more MVP's, better stats as do many qb's what Joe has is the best postseason track record. In fairness I'd say he still has a slight edge but it's d close.

So going by this thread it must mean that Foles >>> Brady

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:
Bradshaw is clearly one of the four best QB's to ever play the game! With Aikman right behind him!

Wins is Joe's strongest argument too though.

Brady has more MVP's, better stats as do many qb's what Joe has is the best postseason track record. In fairness I'd say he still has a slight edge but it's d close.

Comparing stats isn't a good idea. There's a reason Marino hitting 60K passing yards was simply unfathomable at the time, but now we already have three QB's who hit 70K.

If we're comparing stats than Fouts was a better QB than Montana and Favre/Brees were/are better QB's than Brady.

If we're doing MVP's, than Peyton Manning is the GOAT. And I think only 1% of the population actually thinks that.

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by Young2Rice:
To think a super bowl loss is a huge negative is strange to me.

If you're not first you're last!

Were you satisfied with Super Bowl 47?

Neither were the 49ers.

Naw but I was happy with the season. I'm not ungrateful for playoff success.

I think people have used the "We're 5-0" smack talk in the past so much they started to believe it was actually better than having NE's 8 AFC championships.

Originally posted by theduke85:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by theduke85:

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:

Originally posted by theduke85:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

The Brady apologists are out in force after the choke job.

If you want a case study of how insecure 49ers fans are, look no further than a 503-yard, 3 TD, 0 INT performance being spun as a "choke job" by Brady.

When Montana had a performance like this (Denver), his team won 55-10. Do you think Brady would've won if his defense allowed 10 points yesterday? (Hint: yes.)

Brady is the last person to blame for the game yesterday. Good grief.

Brady played very meh in his first Super Bowl appearance but people use it in GOAT conversations why? Because he drove down the field for the win when it mattered.

Last night Brady played good the whole game but then when it came time to pull off the win against one of the worst defenses he's played in the Super Bowl? He coughed the ball up.

So which is it? Is it about stats or is it about delivering in the moment? Brady fans can't have it both ways.

I agree, but in fairness to Brady, getting sacked and fumbling is a far cry from throwing an ill-advised interception.

Anyway, I agree Brady fans can't have it both ways. But why are Montana apologists able to have it both ways?

Everyone cites his impeccable Super Bowl record, but glosses over his losses earlier in the playoffs. Like, for example, three straight one-and-dones, a three-year stretch where he threw 0 TD and 4 INT. Why does Montana get credit for being perfect in the SB, but everyone glosses over him having complete duds in the playoffs? "Those games don't count, they didn't happen in the SUPER BOWL" is the most mind-numbingly stupid excuse I've ever heard in my life, and yet people reflexively regurgitate that awful argument every time this discussion comes up.

Imagine that, having terrible performances prevents a player from reaching the Super Bowl in the first place, who would've thought?!

He held onto that ball for far too long with a 2nd and 2 situation and he failed to secure the ball when the sack was coming in his face. Maybe he thought he would get tuck rule type bailout again.

The play started at 2:16 and he was sacked at 2:14. You're not even trying. You're literally just making stuff up. You're not even trying to be objective.

He coughed up the ball, could have tucked it away and taken the sack. I am not making that up.

Originally posted by theduke85:
If you want a case study of how insecure 49ers fans are, look no further than a 503-yard, 3 TD, 0 INT performance being spun as a "choke job" by Brady.

When Montana had a performance like this (Denver), his team won 55-10. Do you think Brady would've won if his defense allowed 10 points yesterday? (Hint: yes.)

Brady is the last person to blame for the game yesterday. Good grief.

Duke - I don't believe that Brady is "to blame" for the loss, nor am I insecure about Joe's legacy. Here's the thing, Brady had the ball in his hands TWICE with the chance to win and FAILED. Most on this site are confident that Joe would have scored on ONE of those drives. Joe had that "55 to 10" performance against the #3 defense in the NFL that year and performed so well that there was no need for him to play the 4th quarter. IF the Niners would have needed MORE than 55 points, he would have stayed in the game and scored more. You really want to question that?

If it sounds better to you, "Brady did 'choke' he just didn't deliver when it counted most."

Originally posted by Young2Rice:

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by Young2Rice:

To think a super bowl loss is a huge negative is strange to me.

If you're not first you're last!

Were you satisfied with Super Bowl 47?

Neither were the 49ers.

Naw but I was happy with the season. I'm not ungrateful for playoff success.

I think people have used the "We're 5-0" smack talk in the past so much they started to believe it was actually better than having NE's 8 AFC championships.

The Bills going to four straight Super Bowls makes them the best team of all time.

Originally posted by Mankster:

Originally posted by theduke85:
If you want a case study of how insecure 49ers fans are, look no further than a 503-yard, 3 TD, 0 INT performance being spun as a "choke job" by Brady.

When Montana had a performance like this (Denver), his team won 55-10. Do you think Brady would've won if his defense allowed 10 points yesterday? (Hint: yes.)

Brady is the last person to blame for the game yesterday. Good grief.

Duke - I don't believe that Brady is "to blame" for the loss, nor am I insecure about Joe's legacy. Here's the thing, Brady had the ball in his hands TWICE with the chance to win and FAILED. Most on this site are confident that Joe would have scored on ONE of those drives. Joe had that "55 to 10" performance against the #3 defense in the NFL that year and performed so well that there was no need for him to play the 4th quarter. IF the Niners would have needed MORE than 55 points, he would have stayed in the game and scored more. You really want to question that?

If it sounds better to you, "Brady did 'choke' he just didn't deliver when it counted most."

I'm sure most people believe that. Just like I'm sure every Patriots fan in the world was positive Brady was going to engineer a go-ahead drive when they got the ball back with 2:10 to go. Just because people believe it doesn't make it true.

Montana was not infallible. 1985, 1986, and 1987 are proof of this. Narrative hand-waving like, "here's the thing, Montana never failed, it just wasn't an option for him" is just senseless garbage. It fringes on mythological.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by Young2Rice:

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by Young2Rice:
To think a super bowl loss is a huge negative is strange to me.

If you're not first you're last!

Were you satisfied with Super Bowl 47?

Neither were the 49ers.

Naw but I was happy with the season. I'm not ungrateful for playoff success.

I think people have used the "We're 5-0" smack talk in the past so much they started to believe it was actually better than having NE's 8 AFC championships.

The Bills going to four straight Super Bowls makes them the best team of all time.

Honestly that's a very unique situation. Losing a Super Bowl sucks but I don't think I could stand losing four in a row. I think I'd rather miss one in the middle.

Originally posted by theduke85:
I'm sure most people believe that. Just like I'm sure every Patriots fan in the world was positive Brady was going to engineer a go-ahead drive when they got the ball back with 2:10 to go. Just because people believe it doesn't make it true.

Montana was not infallible. 1985, 1986, and 1987 are proof of this. Narrative hand-waving like, "here's the thing, Montana never failed, it just wasn't an option for him" is just senseless garbage. It fringes on mythological.

85-87 for us is basically what 05-13 was for the Patriots.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by Young2Rice:

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by Young2Rice:

To think a super bowl loss is a huge negative is strange to me.

If you're not first you're last!

Were you satisfied with Super Bowl 47?

Neither were the 49ers.

Naw but I was happy with the season. I'm not ungrateful for playoff success.

I think people have used the "We're 5-0" smack talk in the past so much they started to believe it was actually better than having NE's 8 AFC championships.

The Bills going to four straight Super Bowls makes them the best team of all time.

Originally posted by robniner:

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by susweel:

So people still montana is better than brady ?

Yep. Never needed to cheat.

History only remembers rings.

History only remembers wins.

Exactly. 5 > 4

And 0 < 3

Brady is still the GOAT, nothing has changed

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

The Bills going to four straight Super Bowls makes them the best team of all time.

The Bills have 0 rings. Tom has them. You're punishing him for losing later.

Based off your logic KC 13-17 is better than that Buffalo squad because they never lost a SB.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

The Bills going to four straight Super Bowls makes them the best team of all time.

This reminds me of a placard I saw someone waving at a game around that time: "Oh God, please, anyone but Buffalo"! They had some really good players but ...........!"