Joe Montana Legacy Secured

Such a fun thread to read
I think that they were both the greatest in their respective eras.
Neither was the best in terms of statistics, but they were the most clutch QBs and their SB wins show it.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by Young2Rice:

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by Young2Rice:
To think a super bowl loss is a huge negative is strange to me.

If you're not first you're last!

Were you satisfied with Super Bowl 47?

Neither were the 49ers.

Naw but I was happy with the season. I'm not ungrateful for playoff success.

I think people have used the "We're 5-0" smack talk in the past so much they started to believe it was actually better than having NE's 8 AFC championships.

The Bills going to four straight Super Bowls makes them the best team of all time.

Naw but they were pretty damn good. Jim Kelly, Thomas, Bruce Smith, Reed and more. Fun team to watch.

Those were some good teams. Sucks they didn't win one. Its very petty and comes off as privileged to think winning, but just falling short is shameful or a bad thing.

Originally posted by SR49er:

Such a fun thread to read
I think that they were both the greatest in their respective eras.
Neither was the best in terms of statistics, but they were the most clutch QBs and their SB wins show it.

This.

Why can't Montana be "one of the greatest qb's of all time."

Why can't Brady be "one of the greatest qb's of all time."

It's because they both are. The debate on who is better is exhausting and subjective.

I guess it will suck for some if we make the playoffs with shanny and fall short.

I will be excited and proud.

Originally posted by AXEGRINDER:
This.

Why can't Montana be "one of the greatest qb's of all time."

Why can't Brady be "one of the greatest qb's of all time."

It's because they both are. The debate on who is better is exhausting and subjective.

Eh...the numbers don't lie. Montana has been dethroned

Originally posted by theduke85:

Originally posted by Mankster:

Originally posted by theduke85:
If you want a case study of how insecure 49ers fans are, look no further than a 503-yard, 3 TD, 0 INT performance being spun as a "choke job" by Brady.

When Montana had a performance like this (Denver), his team won 55-10. Do you think Brady would've won if his defense allowed 10 points yesterday? (Hint: yes.)

Brady is the last person to blame for the game yesterday. Good grief.

Duke - I don't believe that Brady is "to blame" for the loss, nor am I insecure about Joe's legacy. Here's the thing, Brady had the ball in his hands TWICE with the chance to win and FAILED. Most on this site are confident that Joe would have scored on ONE of those drives. Joe had that "55 to 10" performance against the #3 defense in the NFL that year and performed so well that there was no need for him to play the 4th quarter. IF the Niners would have needed MORE than 55 points, he would have stayed in the game and scored more. You really want to question that?

If it sounds better to you, "Brady did 'choke' he just didn't deliver when it counted most."

I'm sure most people believe that. Just like I'm sure every Patriots fan in the world was positive Brady was going to engineer a go-ahead drive when they got the ball back with 2:10 to go. Just because people believe it doesn't make it true.

Montana was not infallible. 1985, 1986, and 1987 are proof of this. Narrative hand-waving like, "here's the thing, Montana never failed, it just wasn't an option for him" is just senseless garbage. It fringes on mythological.

Naw man. I never said Joe was 'infallible.' You're putting up 'straw man' arguments. I said I was "confident that Joe would have scored on ONE of those drives." Aren't you? When he went to the Super Bowl...he was golden. The best rated Super Bowl defense he faced was the one (#3 Denver) he shredded the most convincingly. I'm not slighting Brady. I simply point out that he did not rise to the challenge yesterday.

If you want to fixate on Joe's failures...feel free. He was human and failed a few times...just not once he made it to the Super Bowl. Brady has. I was never let down by Joe in a Super Bowl. Brady fans have been. Doesn't mean he's a bad QB. Sheesh! I would love for him to have been a Niner.

They played in different era's. The rules are different. The AFC/NFC power balance is different. Lots of differences. ALL that said, I simply believe that Joe was more clutch then Brady. I don't think that diminishes Brady. Shrug.

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by AXEGRINDER:
This.

Why can't Montana be "one of the greatest qb's of all time."

Why can't Brady be "one of the greatest qb's of all time."

It's because they both are. The debate on who is better is exhausting and subjective.

Eh...the numbers don't lie. Montana has been dethroned

"Lies, damned lies, and statistics!"

Originally posted by AXEGRINDER:

Originally posted by SR49er:

Such a fun thread to read
I think that they were both the greatest in their respective eras.
Neither was the best in terms of statistics, but they were the most clutch QBs and their SB wins show it.

This.

Why can't Montana be "one of the greatest qb's of all time."

Why can't Brady be "one of the greatest qb's of all time."

It's because they both are. The debate on who is better is exhausting and subjective.

If you asked joe he would say brady and vice versa

Originally posted by robniner:

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by susweel:
So people still montana is better than brady ?

Yep. Never needed to cheat.

History only remembers rings.

History only remembers wins.

Exactly. 5 > 4

And 0 < 3

im confused. does history remember wins or rings or losses

Originally posted by defenderDX:

Originally posted by robniner:

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by susweel:
So people still montana is better than brady ?

Yep. Never needed to cheat.

History only remembers rings.

History only remembers wins.

Exactly. 5 > 4

And 0 < 3

im confused. does history remember wins or rings or losses

It remembers wins, mvp's, all pros and statistics....

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by defenderDX:

Originally posted by robniner:

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by susweel:
So people still montana is better than brady ?

Yep. Never needed to cheat.

History only remembers rings.

History only remembers wins.

Exactly. 5 > 4

And 0 < 3

im confused. does history remember wins or rings or losses

It remembers wins, mvp's, all pros and statistics....

no i think it just remembers rings

Originally posted by robniner:
And 0 < 3

Remind me again...did Joe win the SB the year he didn't go to the SB?

Guess Joe Flacco is better than Tom Brady because he's got 0 losses in the SB as well right?

If a QB doesn't make it to the SB he lost at some point in the playoffs or didn't make the playoffs. It's not a better accomplishment than getting to the SB and losing. It's worse...

Nobody likes losing in the SB but if you don't get to the SB you can't win it. Simple as that.

8 trips with 3 losses is still better than 4 trips with 0 losses.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by robniner:

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by susweel:
So people still montana is better than brady ?

Yep. Never needed to cheat.

History only remembers rings.

History only remembers wins.

Exactly. 5 > 4

And 0 < 3

Ya obviously when people think of guys like Magic, Kareem, Bird, Peyton, Gretzky, they talk about their finals loses. Not how many they won, or how great they were, but how many they lost.

Only QB in NFL history to throw for 500 yards and 3 TDs and not win the game (regular season or postseason).

Originally posted by theduke85:

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by susweel:

So people still montana is better than brady ?

Yep. Never needed to cheat.

History only remembers rings.

Unless you're a 49ers fans, then you remember the Brady losses. But you at the same time forget the Montana losses -- those ones don't count because of selective memory.

I'll admit I am a 49er fan. That is why I post on this site. What brings you here other than trashing Montana?