Joe Montana Legacy Secured

Originally posted by crabman82:

Why stop there? I say he plays through the 1999 season and easily dodges aeneas williams on that blitz, we go 12-4 and win it all and the rams never get a ring

I'm thinking if we would've chosen Joe over Steve we would have been looking for a new QB in 1995, maybe 1996 at the latest.

Personally if we are rewriting history there's 2 branches that I like. The first one is Joe doesn't get hurt by Marshall. In this case, I think we 3 peat or have a tremendous chance at 3 in 4 because there wouldnt have been an adjustment period in 1991. The second one has us winning with Steve by not trading Haley in '92 and further down the line somehow/someway making Shanny HC after the 1994 season.

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Montana won his first two super bowls without rice and taylor

Brady won his first super bowl his first year as starter. Montana didn't get his until his 3rd year.

Originally posted by TB12:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Montana won his first two super bowls without rice and taylor

Brady won his first super bowl his first year as starter. Montana didn't get his until his 3rd year.

Meaningless information is meaningless. If you must try to make comparisons between different era, try to have a real basis for the comparison.

Originally posted by Niners99:

Tuck rule, Vinatieri, Spygate, Deflategate, Seattle choke, Atlanta choke.

NE never won a SB by more than 6 pts.

Brady has lost in the Super Bowl to Eli Manning and Nick Foles. Hes walked off the field with his head down while being showered with the other teams' confetti. Hes thrown picks and fumbled the ball in big moments in the SB. Hes not Joe Montana. Quantity does not trump quality.

He got a comfortable, offense friendly, protected era of quarterbacking to play in, and because of it he stayed healthy enough to keep going for 17+ years. He would never have survived in the 80's.

That's because NE's competition in the SB was far better than anyone Montana ever faced in the SB. Ask any Broncos fan and they will tell you that Denver was John Elway carrying his team to the SB. Boomer Esiason was not exactly a HOF QB either. If you get to the Super Bowl as many times as Brady, you are bound to lose a few. 8-0 in the big game would be crazy. And you can't penalize Brady because he won more games in the playoffs in those years when he made the SB but didn't win it than Montana did in the years he lost in the divisional or NFCCG. Getting to the super bowl obviously requires more wins than losing in the first or second round. If Montana played well against NYG in the playoffs on 3 different occasions, it might be a different story. This notion that Montana is somehow the "perfect" playoff QB is nothing but fantasy. Against tougher opponents he was not nearly as stellar.

Originally posted by English:

Meaningless information is meaningless. If you must try to make comparisons between different era, try to have a real basis for the comparison.

Is that going to be your excuse for everying? A "different era?" I'm sorry but the football world has moved onto a new GOAT. Maybe not in San Francisco, but everywhere else, yes.

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by TB12:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Montana won his first two super bowls without rice and taylor

Brady won his first super bowl his first year as starter. Montana didn't get his until his 3rd year.

Meaningless information is meaningless. If you must try to make comparisons between different era, try to have a real basis for the comparison.

1981 was Joe's first full year as a starter. Not that it really matters.

Originally posted by TB12:

That's because NE's competition in the SB was far better than anyone Montana ever faced in the SB. Ask any Broncos fan and they will tell you that Denver was John Elway carrying his team to the SB. Boomer Esiason was not exactly a HOF QB either. If you get to the Super Bowl as many times as Brady, you are bound to lose a few. 8-0 in the big game would be crazy. And you can't penalize Brady because he won more games in the playoffs in those years when he made the SB but didn't win it than Montana did in the years he lost in the divisional or NFCCG. Getting to the super bowl obviously requires more wins than losing in the first or second round. If Montana played well against NYG in the playoffs on 3 different occasions, it might be a different story. This notion that Montana is somehow the "perfect" playoff QB is nothing but fantasy. Against tougher opponents he was not nearly as stellar.

I dont know what Broncos fans you have been talking to, but Terrell Davis says hi.

Originally posted by English:

I dont know what Broncos fans you have been talking to, but Terrell Davis says hi.

I'm talking 80s bro, you know, when Montana faced Elway in the Super Bowl?

Originally posted by TB12:

Originally posted by English:

Meaningless information is meaningless. If you must try to make comparisons between different era, try to have a real basis for the comparison.

Is that going to be your excuse for everying? A "different era?" I'm sorry but the football world has moved onto a new GOAT. Maybe not in San Francisco, but everywhere else, yes.

How old are you? Check the rules from the 80's before you embarrass yourself again. Professional football has a number of era with different rules and playing standards and comparisons between the eras is impossible in any real way.

Originally posted by DonaldTrump:

Originally posted by 9moon:

Lets do this... had we traded Young to KC for Derek Thomas, we would have NOT lost to Dallas (2x)... Would have beaten Buffalo 2x... and San Diego.. Would have beaten GBay at home (NFCCG)... then beat that Denver team that beat Green Bay...

... and how many rings would that be for Joe and the team???

Let's go back even farther, realistically we woulda smoked Oakland in 1983 had not been for the crooked officiating in the nfccg, in the 1987 divisionals yes Joe looked flat against Minnesota but so did the rest of the team. We clearly were the best team in the league both years so there's 6 right there before 1990

Also lest not forget:


MONTANA GETS SURGERY FOR DISK
Published: September 16, 1986

Joe Montana, who led the San Francisco 49ers to two Super Bowl victories, underwent back surgery yesterday to correct a ruptured disk that threatens his career.

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September 04, 1991|By Nancy Gay | Nancy Gay,Knight-Ridder

SANTA CLARA, Calif. -- Joe Montana's stay on injured reserve could extend well beyond the four weeks the 49ers quarterback is scheduled to miss.

The question of how long the healing takes comes down to what's hurt and what's not.

Dr. Arthur White, who performed surgery on Montana in 1986 to remove a ruptured disk in his back and whose Daly City clinic is treating Montana's elbow, confirmed recent published reports, saying the injury is a torn ligament as well as a torn tendon. He said it will require a minimum of three months to heal completely. If Montana were out three months, he would miss 12 games.

Dude was tough, he had to be because back then qbs were treated as equals on the football field, not some pampered prissy hiding behind a ratings quota from up top


Also the 87 divisional game was the Anthony Carter fluke 10 reception 227 yards.........fast forward to 4:30 seconds

This was when football was REAL; not this watered down, protected crap.

Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by 9moon:
NOT the 95 Packers... that wasn't even a CHAMPIONSHIP..

I'm talking about the year Green Bay Packer team that lost to Denver in the Super Bowl.. the year we had Woodson, Kevin Greene and lost to the Packers at home..No way Joe Montana would have lost to Green Bay.. He just wont..

So Joe was gonna stay an additional 3 years in this scenario? He retires after the 94 season....you have him staying through the 1997 season.

he would not have retired because YOUNG was traded... who knows.. but my point is that HAD WE TRADED STEVE YOUNG INSTEAD...

Originally posted by DonaldTrump:

Originally posted by 9moon:
Lets do this... had we traded Young to KC for Derek Thomas, we would have NOT lost to Dallas (2x)... Would have beaten Buffalo 2x... and San Diego.. Would have beaten GBay at home (NFCCG)... then beat that Denver team that beat Green Bay...

... and how many rings would that be for Joe and the team???

Let's go back even farther, realistically we woulda smoked Oakland in 1983 had not been for the crooked officiating in the nfccg, in the 1987 divisionals yes Joe looked flat against Minnesota but so did the rest of the team. We clearly were the best team in the league both years so there's 6 right there before 1990

Also lest not forget:

MONTANA GETS SURGERY FOR DISK
Published: September 16, 1986

Joe Montana, who led the San Francisco 49ers to two Super Bowl victories, underwent back surgery yesterday to correct a ruptured disk that threatens his career.

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September 04, 1991|By Nancy Gay | Nancy Gay,Knight-Ridder

SANTA CLARA, Calif. -- Joe Montana's stay on injured reserve could extend well beyond the four weeks the 49ers quarterback is scheduled to miss.

The question of how long the healing takes comes down to what's hurt and what's not.

Dr. Arthur White, who performed surgery on Montana in 1986 to remove a ruptured disk in his back and whose Daly City clinic is treating Montana's elbow, confirmed recent published reports, saying the injury is a torn ligament as well as a torn tendon. He said it will require a minimum of three months to heal completely. If Montana were out three months, he would miss 12 games.

Dude was tough, he had to be because back then qbs were treated as equals on the football field, not some pampered prissy hiding behind a ratings quota from up top

Also the 87 divisional game was the Anthony Carter fluke 10 reception 227 yards.........fast forward to 4:30 seconds

Feel free to disagree and argue with me on this one.. but up to this date, I still believe that the 1987 (lost to the Vikings) was the best 49ERS team ever !!!!

Better than 84
Better than 90 repeat...

My GOAT doesn't cheat
My GOAT doesn't lose a Superbowl
My GOAT doesn't lose to a backup QB
My GOAT doesn't kiss his kids or dad in the mouth

Originally posted by TB12:

Originally posted by English:

I dont know what Broncos fans you have been talking to, but Terrell Davis says hi.

I'm talking 80s bro, you know, when Montana faced Elway in the Super Bowl?

Let's talk about playoff competition.....in 1988 and 1989 the Niners played 6 playoff games. Of those 6, they play 4 games that was against the either the number 1 defense in yards or the 1 defense in points. In those 4 games they averaged 39.5 points per game.

1988 vs Min (#1 yards) scores 34
1988 vs ChI (#1 Points) scores 28
1989 vs Min (#1 yards) scores 41
1989 vs Den (#1 Points) scores 55

I think he made up for his 1987 Minnesota performance. Also in 3 of his 4 Super Bowls he beat a team that was either the #1 offense (84 Mia, 88 cincy) or #1 defense (89 Denver).

Originally posted by English:

How old are you? Check the rules from the 80's before you embarrass yourself again. Professional football has a number of era with different rules and playing standards and comparisons between the eras is impossible in any real way.

And there are different rules in this era that hurt QBs such as free agency and salary cap. Yes, the rules are more geared towards offense in this generation, but there are other standards in place that are a detriment to teams today. It cuts both ways.