Joe Montana Legacy Secured

Do you mean just the fourth quarter? If so, go back and look at how many drives Brady had in the fourth quarter of those games. Giants did a great job killing clock against us.
Do you watch football? in both giants super bowls, Brady put his team in the lead late in the 4th quarter. He gave the keys over to the defense and it didn't hold. Comprende?

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by teylo31:

Originally posted by TB12:

Originally posted by teylo31:

So they only play the 4th qtr in football games

Brady's worst loss in the playoffs: 28-13

Montana's worst loss in the playoffs: 49-3

It would appear Montana didn't show up in the first through fourth quarters of certain games, but those are just facts.

You are hilarious. Your goalposts move every post you make. Lame

Not actually sure why anyone is even responding to him. Continually contradicts himself and when not doing that keeps regurgitating the same s**t. Bottom line is that this is a pointless conversation, especially with a guy who goes and changed his screen name to TB12. Not trolling at all lol

Its Tuesday

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by TB12:

Originally posted by NinerGM:
Jim Everett was being called the next Joe Montana. And Mark Rypien had Rothlisberger numbers en route to his Super Bowl. Give me a break. Again Montana's list is far superior. And then once at the big game, it's not even close. Rich Gannon, hell even Wade Wilson was better than any QB Brady saw in this year's playoff run.

FOUR (4) Hall of Famers faced. In the big game.... but my bad. I said I wouldn't do this. I wouldn't debate the undebatable.

I'll give you Elway and Marino are better than any QB that Brady faced in the SB, but the Dolphins and Broncos were not great teams as a whole back in the 80s. For the AFC they were good teams, but nothing compared to the teams in the NFC of that era. Besides, every time Montana took the field, it was against DEFENSES, not against opposing QBs. Against NYG, he got destroyed in the playoffs (Belichick's defenses, in fact).

Hahaahahaha. Okay.

NFL had never seen a team like the 1984 Dolphins... saying that it wasn't a great time was pure dumb...Marino alone started a trend that year... he showed that a young QB can start and win in the league !!

it's just that, we were the better team...

Originally posted by teylo31:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by teylo31:

Originally posted by TB12:

Originally posted by teylo31:

So they only play the 4th qtr in football games

Brady's worst loss in the playoffs: 28-13

Montana's worst loss in the playoffs: 49-3

It would appear Montana didn't show up in the first through fourth quarters of certain games, but those are just facts.

You are hilarious. Your goalposts move every post you make. Lame

Not actually sure why anyone is even responding to him. Continually contradicts himself and when not doing that keeps regurgitating the same s**t. Bottom line is that this is a pointless conversation, especially with a guy who goes and changed his screen name to TB12. Not trolling at all lol

Its Tuesday

Lol true. We need combine/FA/draft asap

Originally posted by teylo31:
Did you guys here the one about a brady fan who went on a 49er forum to defend the honor of his/her hero after he lost the SB poat after post aftet post. Insecure much

Pretty sad dude if you ask me. It's like NCommand going to the Pats board and saying Joe Montana is >>> than Tom "the Cheat" Brady.

Oooooo... I'm sure NCommand will get lots of love on the Pats boards for that!

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Giedi:
No, I'll let Wiki do it for me. Now when did Joe cheat again?

Deflategate was a National Football League (NFL) controversy involving the allegation that the New England Patriots deliberately under-inflated footballs used in their victory against the Indianapolis Colts in the American Football Conference (AFC) Championship Game of the 2014–15 NFL playoffs. The controversy resulted in Patriots quarterback Tom Brady being suspended for four games and the team being fined $1 million and losing two draft picks.[1]

Deflate gate? That's your "cheating"?

Talk about a witch hunt with no substance behind it. What did the Pats do ever since then? Destroyed the Colts in the 2nd half of the game they were "caught" then won a SB vs Seattle.
Lost in the AFC Championship game
Won a SB
Lost a SB

Clearly those balls were the edge they needed over other teams....

And google Montana and cheating. He brings up our linemen putting silicone on their uniform to get an advantage. Bill Parcells accused Walsh of tampering with headsets. Rice used stickum...etc

*Why* should *I* do your work for you? Maybe because you can't find it yourself?

You know your doing something right when you can attract Patriots fans in a 49er forum

And. Gone!

Originally posted by English:
And. Gone!

am i next?

Originally posted by pdizo916:

Originally posted by English:
And. Gone!

am i next?

Man, she gone? Oh well, it was kinda fun while she lasted...... looking forward to the draft

It is hard to compare eras and Montana has played fewer years than Brady has played [Montana played 15 years, but '80 he didn't start, '82 was a strike, '86 he broke his back, '91-'92 he was injured and Young took over; Brady has played 18 years but didn't start in '00 and in '08 was injured]. So call it 10 seasons for Montana versus 16 for Brady.

In those 10 seasons Montana won the SB 4 times - 40%

In Brady's 16 seasons he won 5 times - 31%.

Both impressive.

But the caliber of opponents during their years is significant. Consider, from 1981 to 1990 the Redskins Giants and Bears won a combined 5 SBs [Washington won another in 1991]. Their combined winning percentage that decade was 65%. Those three teams each averaged 10.5 wins per year for the decade. They were good - 12 hall of famers from those teams.

The 49ers won 4 SBs in that era. They beat all three of those teams in the playoffs. They lost to Washington and Giants as well. The point is the 1980s was a decade where 4 amazing teams won 9 of 10 SBs and Joe's team won the most.

The NFC West was not horrible during this decade either. The combined winning percentage of the Rams, Saints and Falcons was 47%. Not amazing. But those teams played 60 games against the 49ers that decade. Their winning percentage against the 49ers was 27%; against the rest of the league the rest of the division was over .500. For the decade.

In comparison, since 2001 the Bills, Jets and Dolphins have won a combined 43% of their games. Taking out their abysmal win percentage against the Pats during this time, the division is still well below .500 against the rest of the league for the past 17 years. They have been consistently bad.

Likewise the three most successful teams during the past 17 years in the AFC aside from the Pats are the Colts, Broncos and Steelers. Their win percentage during Brady's run is 61%

In both cases, the main competitors and the divisions were comparatively more competitive in Montana's era than in Brady's.

A lot has been said about it being harder to win in the salary cap era. That the 49ers just put together a stacked team in 1981 and rolled for a decade. Not so. Of the players that won in 1981, only 5 were with the team in 1989. Aside from Fred Dean, who they traded for, I can't recall a single "big name" the Team signed in the 1980s. It was built through the draft and basically the entire team other than Lott and Montana was turned over from 1981 to 1988-1989.

Conversely, the Patriots have signed or traded for: Moss, Welker, Amendola, Rodney Harrison, Seau, Revis, Vrabel, Dion Lewis, Ninkovich, Branch, Boddin, Chung, Cooks... the era allows teams to plug holes. People want to play for a winner. The Pats draw talent.

The point is neither QB just rolled with the same team. Montana won SBs with different teams - different backfields, O-lines, WRs, and defenses. Same as Brady.

No one should question Brady's greatness. He's awesome. But to suggest that the 49ers benefitted from weak competition or that it is harder to win in this era is preposterous. The best teams since the cap - Pats, Broncos, Steelers and Colts have been the best teams for 17 years. The cap hasn't changed that.

Originally posted by English:

And. Gone!

Lol

I love it when someone gets banned and it's not me

Originally posted by midrdan:

It is hard to compare eras and Montana has played fewer years than Brady has played [Montana played 15 years, but '80 he didn't start, '82 was a strike, '86 he broke his back, '91-'92 he was injured and Young took over; Brady has played 18 years but didn't start in '00 and in '08 was injured]. So call it 10 seasons for Montana versus 16 for Brady.

In those 10 seasons Montana won the SB 4 times - 40%

In Brady's 16 seasons he won 5 times - 31%.

Both impressive.

But the caliber of opponents during their years is significant. Consider, from 1981 to 1990 the Redskins Giants and Bears won a combined 5 SBs [Washington won another in 1991]. Their combined winning percentage that decade was 65%. Those three teams each averaged 10.5 wins per year for the decade. They were good - 12 hall of famers from those teams.

The 49ers won 4 SBs in that era. They beat all three of those teams in the playoffs. They lost to Washington and Giants as well. The point is the 1980s was a decade where 4 amazing teams won 9 of 10 SBs and Joe's team won the most.

The NFC West was not horrible during this decade either. The combined winning percentage of the Rams, Saints and Falcons was 47%. Not amazing. But those teams played 60 games against the 49ers that decade. Their winning percentage against the 49ers was 27%; against the rest of the league the rest of the division was over .500. For the decade.

In comparison, since 2001 the Bills, Jets and Dolphins have won a combined 43% of their games. Taking out their abysmal win percentage against the Pats during this time, the division is still well below .500 against the rest of the league for the past 17 years. They have been consistently bad.

Likewise the three most successful teams during the past 17 years in the AFC aside from the Pats are the Colts, Broncos and Steelers. Their win percentage during Brady's run is 61%

In both cases, the main competitors and the divisions were comparatively more competitive in Montana's era than in Brady's.

A lot has been said about it being harder to win in the salary cap era. That the 49ers just put together a stacked team in 1981 and rolled for a decade. Not so. Of the players that won in 1981, only 5 were with the team in 1989. Aside from Fred Dean, who they traded for, I can't recall a single "big name" the Team signed in the 1980s. It was built through the draft and basically the entire team other than Lott and Montana was turned over from 1981 to 1988-1989.

Conversely, the Patriots have signed or traded for: Moss, Welker, Amendola, Rodney Harrison, Seau, Revis, Vrabel, Dion Lewis, Ninkovich, Branch, Boddin, Chung, Cooks... the era allows teams to plug holes. People want to play for a winner. The Pats draw talent.

The point is neither QB just rolled with the same team. Montana won SBs with different teams - different backfields, O-lines, WRs, and defenses. Same as Brady.

No one should question Brady's greatness. He's awesome. But to suggest that the 49ers benefitted from weak competition or that it is harder to win in this era is preposterous. The best teams since the cap - Pats, Broncos, Steelers and Colts have been the best teams for 17 years. The cap hasn't changed that.

Excellent post

Originally posted by TB12:

Originally posted by Niners99:
Remember that time Montana got strip sacked in the biggest moment of the SB and we lost?

No, Montana played weak opponents in the SB and left his biggest choke jobs in the divisional and championship games. Remember that time when Brady only led his team to 3 points in the divisional round? Oh wait...that was Joe against the Giants in 86'. Back then the NFC had the best teams by far and Montana lost plenty of games to NFC rivals.

Very funny this obsession over point spreads.

When you look at the NFC champions from 1984 to 1989, they often kicked ass in their respective postseason runs:

'84 49ers: 21-10. 23-0 (+34)
'85 Bears: 21-0, 24-0 (+45)
'86 Giants: 49-3, 17-0 (+63)
'87 Redskins: 21-17, 17-10 (+11)
'88 49ers: 34-9, 28-3 (+50)
'89 49ers: 41-13, 30-3 (+55)

Outlier seasons, 81-83, 90...mostly tight playoff games, but in the middle stretch there with Bears and Giants, some tough ass defenses.

In the defensive era, having the "better QB" was an advantage but not the huge one it is now. Montana winning 4 in the '80s was/is a big deal.

He won his first 4 quicker than Brady which is never talked about.

So dismissing all of these quantity stats (which is overrated BS to me), Montana did more during his 49er tenure than Brady did in his Patriots tenure for the same length (2001-2010).

People forget only a few years ago, it wasn't so universally agreed that Brady was even better than Peyton Manning.

Brady's greatness is sustained excellence over a long period of time. In that aspect, he's the best ever.

But locked into a 10 year window let's say, Montana all day.

And what Montana did in Kansas City was freaking remarkable. He probably cost the Oilers a SB appearance for sure in '93 beating that vicious defense in the Astrodome.

Brady will never have a shot to show us anything similar.

Originally posted by SoCold:
JC Montana only played 3 full seasons in his career. It's safe to say if he never broke his back he could have played in 6-8 SBs? Also could have been 4-2 or 5-3 overall. lol

That's not a valid argument because he never lost. If he went to 6-8 Super Bowls he wins everyone because he didn't choke in the big game like Brady has.