Joe Montana Legacy Secured

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
why are we going through all this again? first of all Brady isn't even the best quarterback today. That goes to Aaron Rodgers. stop talking about stacked teams. New England has had plenty of stacked teams and Joe has won Super Bowls without Jerry Rice - 2 in fact.

only people who have actually seen Brady and Montana play should be allowed to post on this thread.

Walsh would've picked Rodgers over Brady. Rodgers has greater athletic instincts by far

Who had more of a cupcake division?

Montana's NFC West, or Brady's AFC East?

Originally posted by Homer:

Originally posted by OKC49erFan:

The Defense wasn't neutered as they are now. They used to get two steps after the throw to tee off on the QB. Brady would be dead.

Tuck rule... Help Brady
Don't hit below the QB's knees... Protect Brady
Don't touch WRs.... Help all QBs

The lengths the NFL went to protect and help Brady and the rest of the current era QBs leave them all out of the discussion. It isn't close to the same game. Yes, players are bigger and faster, but they're neutered by the rules.

Brady gets rid of the ball fast, though. I appreciate you recognize that players are bigger, stronger, and faster now. I just think the whole "would never survive in that era" attitude can't be used for everyone. If that's the mindset, no one will ever pass Montana and I just don't think that's fair. We're not talking about Andy Dalton.

Joe playing vs more stacked teams is a fair argument. I think that's a wash because Joe had an equally stacked team. Our teams were historic. It's not like we were the modern day colts. All time greats, everywhere.

At the end of joes career the draft and some FA pick ups made them historic....it wasn't like that in the beginning...stop trying to pass off that joe took over a SB team

It was so different back then. Defenses could prison rape you like Seattle/Ravens recently...jam and hold well past the 5 yards, P.I. all day long, hit players after the whistle, etc. Plus you could spear WRs, QBs, etc. You needed an offense that was years ahead of the rest of the NFL. Now a guy like Brees gets touched and he's instantly looking for a 15 yarder.

So hard to compare. It's best just to respect both successes in their eras esp given how much of a hero Montana is to Brady.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

At the end of joes career the draft and some FA pick ups made them historic....it wasn't like that in the beginning...stop trying to pass off that joe took over a SB team

I've never said he took over a SB team. Just that he played with great players and had a coach that was an offensive genius. Some of you guys are acting like I'm saying Joe sucks, which couldn't be farther from the truth. Just pointing out that while Joe played in a tougher era, he had some things going on for him, too. If you can't see that, I'm not the only homer here.

Originally posted by Homer:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

At the end of joes career the draft and some FA pick ups made them historic....it wasn't like that in the beginning...stop trying to pass off that joe took over a SB team

I've never said he took over a SB team. Just that he played with great players and had a coach that was an offensive genius. Some of you guys are acting like I'm saying Joe sucks, which couldn't be farther from the truth. Just pointing out that while Joe played in a tougher era, he had some things going on for him, too. If you can't see that, I'm not the only homer here.

Same with Brady so I don't know what you are trying to prove

Originally posted by Homer:

I've never said he took over a SB team. Just that he played with great players and had a coach that was an offensive genius. Some of you guys are acting like I'm saying Joe sucks, which couldn't be farther from the truth. Just pointing out that while Joe played in a tougher era, he had some things going on for him, too. If you can't see that, I'm not the only homer here.

All these points have ALREADY been discussed in this thread. The system made joe and joe made the system.

I know for afact you never saw joe play.

Tell me im a liar.

Originally posted by NCommand:

It was so different back then. Defenses could prison rape you like Seattle/Ravens recently...jam and hold well past the 5 yards, P.I. all day long, hit players after the whistle, etc. Plus you could spear WRs, QBs, etc. You needed an offense that was years ahead of the rest of the NFL. Now a guy like Brees gets touched and he's instantly looking for a 15 yarder.

So hard to compare. It's best just to respect both successes in their eras esp given how much of a hero Montana is to Brady.

Yes and no my friend. Joe played a harder game then but im not saying Brady isnt a great QB... But Joe i stand by as a greatest.

Joe is the greatest of the salary cap era. Other eras are too hard to compare.

Originally posted by AXEGRINDER:

Who had more of a cupcake division?

Montana's NFC West, or Brady's AFC East?

That's a good question. During Joe's era the Rams were pretty good making a couple of NFC title games and winning the division. IMO, the 80s Rams were better than Rex's jets (only team in Brady era decent in the east)

Also remember back then in a 28 team league the NFC west (&watch central) had only 4 teams. So the niners schedule only had 6 of its games comprised of west teams. Therefore the rest of its schedule was generated with 2 extra non division games and I'm pretty sure those were selected reflecting a first place finish.

It took strikes, injury and a trade to stop Montana. 53-man rosters weren't enough.

I see a lot of posts saying the talent is better now-a-days. I don't think the talent has changed much from 2000 until now, has it?

In the early 2000's an old ass Jerry Rice was putting up 1k yard seasons....

Originally posted by InsertNameHere:
I see a lot of posts saying the talent is better now-a-days. I don't think the talent has changed much from 2000 until now, has it?

In the early 2000's an old ass Jerry Rice was putting up 1k yard seasons....

The talent level hasn't changed nearly as much as the rules have to help the offense (and the enforcement of said rules).

If you apply all passing statistics against the average, Steve Young blows everyone else away in YPA, completion percentage and passer rating (I compiled the numbers for him & like 7 others back in 2010 or so). Comparing against the average is the only way to compare people from different eras IMO. It helps with baseball when comparing ERA as well IMO.

Montana GOAT. Greatest of all time.

Brady COAT. Cheating on another trophy.

Brady should have 6 titles if it wasn't for the Giants.