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Jan 23, 2017 at 1:41 PM
I love Joe but Brady is the GOAT.
Jan 23, 2017 at 1:45 PM
Brady is just not the GOAT. He doesn't have the mobility, the improv.

Great QB's who contend for GOAT are all mobile improvisors -- Staubach Rogers Montana.

All three are on their own level.
Jan 23, 2017 at 1:46 PM
Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
lol You make it sound like Montana as GOAT is a slam dunk like Michael Jordan would be in the NBA. By the sound of your name I think you are an old guy which makes me understand your love for Joe. You saw him play. I also love Joe, had 50 yard line season tickets for his entire career with the Niners, and never missed a game that he played for us. Trust me, there is no player who I idolized more than Joe Montana.

However, I also respect the hell out of Tom Brady and recognize the amazing accomplishments that he has had. He has been incredible for 16 years and for the most part has thrown to WRs that would never make anyones ALL PRO team. Yes, he has had a great OL that protected him but he has still made all the clutch throws and has got his team to 7 SBs.

Was Joe awesome in Super Bowls? Hell yes. Best ever. However, I can also remember a time when he had some terrible playoff games (85-87) and was close to losing his job to Steve Young. In fact, he actually got pulled in 87 for bad performance. He also got knocked out of 2 critical playoff games. So, he wasnt perfect although most Niners fans would have you think so.

If you go by pure ability and skills probably neither compare to Aaron Rodgers. If you go by accomplishments, wins, and the "IT" factor, then I think its neck and neck between Brady and Joe. By the way, the guy who is 2nd all time in 4th quarter comeback wins is Tom Brady. Joe is 5th. I just think its ridiculous to say that one is "clearly: better than the other and the GOAT. This isnt Jerry Rice and a conversation about WRS.

No, Brady didn't have the tools Joe did -- mobility, improvisation, leadership, play faking, eye faking, the king of timing and progression. Also true leadership in the huddle. Brady is a little temperamental, no mobility, good checkdown, not really a variety thrower.

No WR's? Do I believe what I'm ready1ing? Wes WElker, Randy Moss, Gronk? 3 HoF right there. kevion Faulk best hands of any rb I've ever seen. And he's throwing now to edelman amandola? Come on. NE coaches up receivers like nobody's business. Brady has had plenty of talent on the other end of the throw.

Seriously, this guy has played a long time and has accumulated stats. But, it's pretty clear he doesn't have qualities that joe did as a thrower, as a leader, as an improvisor, as a clutch player.

As I said, Rogers is a better candidate than Brady. But I like Brady, just he's not the guy.

Hmmm.. Julian Edelman is not a HOF player. Gronk is not a WR. Moss played just 3 years with NE in his 30s. Brady certainly did not have the GOAT at WR like Joe. Rice, Taylor and Jones>>>>> any combo that Brady has ever had.

I never knew that Joe was better at eye faking though.
Jan 23, 2017 at 1:47 PM
Originally posted by okdkid:
Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Originally posted by okdkid:
A testament to Tom Brady's GOAT-ness is when the Pats sign some no name undrafted RB to the 53 man roster half way through the season... everybody in fantasy football tries to pick him up.

Chris f'ing Hogan was playing full-time lacrosse 6 years ago, no football. Brady just got that dude nearly 200 yards in an AFC Championship game. It's comical how great he is.

Why do you say tom brady and not Josh macdaniels/Chad O'Shea?

The same reason I don't say Bill Walsh. They're not the ones throwing the ball.

POint is, credit the coaching staff for building up these no names and putting them in a position to be successful.

It's a little early to be touting Hogan's greatness. More like McD knows how to find side players, and scheme them to success when the opportunity presents itself.
[ Edited by brodiebluebanaszak on Jan 23, 2017 at 1:52 PM ]
Jan 23, 2017 at 1:51 PM
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Hmmm.. Julian Edelman is not a HOF player. Gronk is not a WR. Moss played just 3 years with NE in his 30s. Brady certainly did not have the GOAT at WR like Joe. Rice, Taylor and Jones>>>>> any combo that Brady has ever had.

I never knew that Joe was better at eye faking though.

I didn't say edelman was HoF.

Gronk is not a WR. So what? I don't get your point.

Rice taylor Jones
WElker Moss Gronk.

You make it sound like the two comparisons are light years apart.

I didn't say it right but Joe was one of the best at play faking and looking off defenders.

Very underappreciated qualities.

Anyway, Brady is a good QB, I'll take Joe.
[ Edited by brodiebluebanaszak on Jan 23, 2017 at 2:08 PM ]
Jan 23, 2017 at 1:52 PM
Originally posted by susweel:
I love Joe but Brady is the GOAT.

You know, I would say it is Brady IF I didn't see how successful Joe was in KC. Dude had nobody WR's in KC and still had success.

However, if you go by achievement, no QB in the NFL can come close to Brady's resume. But if you want to talk killer instinct, I would take Joe.
Jan 23, 2017 at 2:06 PM
Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Hmmm.. Julian Edelman is not a HOF player. Gronk is not a WR. Moss played just 3 years with NE in his 30s. Brady certainly did not have the GOAT at WR like Joe. Rice, Taylor and Jones>>>>> any combo that Brady has ever had.

I never knew that Joe was better at eye faking though.

I didn't say edelman was HoF.

Gronk is not a WR. So what? I don't get your point.

Rice taylor Jones
WElker Moss Gronk.

You make it sound like the two comparisons are light years apart.

Anyway, Brady is a good QB, I'll take Joe.

My bad. I confused Wes Welker and Julian Edelman. And yes, I do think Rice, Taylor, and Jones as a group were way ahead of Welker, Moss, and Gronk especially considering that Moss and Gronk played together a total of 4 games in their career.

Again, this is taking NOTHING away from Joe. I just think people in this site go way overboard in saying how much greater he is than Brady.
Jan 23, 2017 at 2:22 PM
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Hmmm.. Julian Edelman is not a HOF player. Gronk is not a WR. Moss played just 3 years with NE in his 30s. Brady certainly did not have the GOAT at WR like Joe. Rice, Taylor and Jones>>>>> any combo that Brady has ever had.

I never knew that Joe was better at eye faking though.

I didn't say edelman was HoF.

Gronk is not a WR. So what? I don't get your point.

Rice taylor Jones
WElker Moss Gronk.

You make it sound like the two comparisons are light years apart.

Anyway, Brady is a good QB, I'll take Joe.

My bad. I confused Wes Welker and Julian Edelman. And yes, I do think Rice, Taylor, and Jones as a group were way ahead of Welker, Moss, and Gronk especially considering that Moss and Gronk played together a total of 4 games in their career.

Again, this is taking NOTHING away from Joe. I just think people in this site go way overboard in saying how much greater he is than Brady.

There were major lineup changes in each Niner team that went to the Superbowl. Joe won with whomever was out there . Look at the starters on that First team. See any HOF'er's there besides Joe on offense?
Jan 23, 2017 at 2:26 PM
What if Brady and the Pats get embarrassed in a couple of weeks?
Jan 23, 2017 at 2:29 PM
Originally posted by eastie:
There were major lineup changes in each Niner team that went to the Superbowl. Joe won with whomever was out there . Look at the starters on that First team. See any HOF'er's there besides Joe on offense?

Lenvill Eliot.
Jan 23, 2017 at 2:30 PM
Originally posted by Joecool:
What if Brady and the Pats get embarrassed in a couple of weeks?

Then this thread goes into hibernation until the next time the pats make it.

Through no fault of Brady, I see pats getting schmeared 49-28.

Julio is on a roll. Even Ryan can't eff it up.
Jan 23, 2017 at 2:38 PM
Originally posted by eastie:
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Hmmm.. Julian Edelman is not a HOF player. Gronk is not a WR. Moss played just 3 years with NE in his 30s. Brady certainly did not have the GOAT at WR like Joe. Rice, Taylor and Jones>>>>> any combo that Brady has ever had.

I never knew that Joe was better at eye faking though.

I didn't say edelman was HoF.

Gronk is not a WR. So what? I don't get your point.

Rice taylor Jones
WElker Moss Gronk.

You make it sound like the two comparisons are light years apart.

Anyway, Brady is a good QB, I'll take Joe.

My bad. I confused Wes Welker and Julian Edelman. And yes, I do think Rice, Taylor, and Jones as a group were way ahead of Welker, Moss, and Gronk especially considering that Moss and Gronk played together a total of 4 games in their career.

Again, this is taking NOTHING away from Joe. I just think people in this site go way overboard in saying how much greater he is than Brady.

There were major lineup changes in each Niner team that went to the Superbowl. Joe won with whomever was out there . Look at the starters on that First team. See any HOF'er's there besides Joe on offense?

Just like Brady. Playing that many years obviously there will be lineup changes.

I agree that the 1981 team didnt have HOF talent. But, Bradys first SB had guys like Troy Brown as his #1 WR, and David Patton, and Terry Glenn as his #2 and #3. WHO? Freddie Solomon and Dwight Clark were better than these guys IMO.
Jan 23, 2017 at 2:39 PM
Originally posted by eastie:
There were major lineup changes in each Niner team that went to the Superbowl. Joe won with whomever was out there . Look at the starters on that First team. See any HOF'er's there besides Joe on offense?

The 81 and 84 Superbowls were more impressive from an individual standpoint. Dwight Clark/Freddie Solomon may be beloved by 49ers fans, but they were not top players in the league. In 84 49ers had Wendell Tyler, and Roger Craig who should be a HOF. 88 and 89 Montana had Craig/Rice which is one hell of a combo.

But Brady has had some talent on his team through the years. Corey Dillon, Wes Welker, Randy Moss, Gronk, and Edelman.
Jan 23, 2017 at 2:47 PM
Originally posted by SunDevilNiner79:
Originally posted by eastie:
There were major lineup changes in each Niner team that went to the Superbowl. Joe won with whomever was out there . Look at the starters on that First team. See any HOF'er's there besides Joe on offense?

The 81 and 84 Superbowls were more impressive from an individual standpoint. Dwight Clark/Freddie Solomon may be beloved by 49ers fans, but they were not top players in the league. In 84 49ers had Wendell Tyler, and Roger Craig who should be a HOF. 88 and 89 Montana had Craig/Rice which is one hell of a combo.

But Brady has had some talent on his team through the years. Corey Dillon, Wes Welker, Randy Moss, Gronk, and Edelman.

The 84 team was a great great team with tons of talent on both sides of the ball. Wendell Tyler was great that year running for over 1200 yards. Craig had over 1300 yards combined running and receiving. They were even pretty solid at TE with Earl Cooper and Russ Francis. Agreed they didnt have the WRs they had later but no one should ever think that team wasnt really loaded.
Jan 23, 2017 at 3:12 PM
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