Joe Montana Legacy Secured

Originally posted by SunDevilNiner79:

Originally posted by RonMexico:

someone could come in and play for 10 years, win 10 superbowls for another team and niner fans would still say joe is the greatest

half of em never seent him play

True, unless you are 45 or older, I have a hard time believing you can actually fairly assess Joe's career. If you are born in 1970, you were 9-10 when his career started. Really you probably gotta be 55 or older to be old enough when Joe started out to really have a full measure of him.

Classic ... Devalue the perspective of a contrarian poster. Either by age or by number of posts.

Originally posted by RonMexico:

Originally posted by LVJay:
You would be one of them (never seen him play)?

yes

I feel you and understand where you're coming from. Brady is arguably the best QB of all time period. Having said that, I still have to argue that Montana is the best QB of all time in SBs. Because of that, there will always be this debate (especially and obviously with 49er fans).

I will say this tho, if Brady wins this next one, he's got my vote over Montana (very slight vote)

Originally posted by Kuya:
I'm a lifelong 49ers fan and I went to Serra High School when Brady won his first 3 championships and we worship him. So all in all, this is a win win for me

Truly a win win

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by okdkid:

Originally posted by crabman82:

Originally posted by okdkid:

I realize this is -- quite literally -- the worst place to get an unbiased discussion going on this topic. But Tom Brady is the GOAT. And admitting that doesn't make you any less of a Niners fan. Give credit where it's due.

Brady is going to his seventh Super Bowl. HIS SEVENTH! Moreover, he's already tied for the most Super Bowl wins in NFL history. On top of that he's worked with, comparatively, few HOF players. That dude has made the most mediocre receivers and RBs look absolutely devastating.

This is before we even consider that Brady has done it in the free agency area. It is exceptionally difficult to keep teams together compared to teams with HOF QBs of old. The dude just keeps on winning. Every year.

And to top it all off, Tom Brady hasn't faded late in his career like Montana and many other have. He's the best QB in the entire league -- at nearly 40.

I know this is an unpopular opinion in these parts. But y'all just need to admit there is literally nothing Brady can do to convince you he's the GOAT. Your mind is already made up. The dude could win the next 3 Super Bowls and some people would say he's not the GOAT.

Seen a Stat on twitter last night that Brady is over 60 postseason passing tds and nobody else has more than 45. Pretty impressive considering a lot of their playoff seasons came with a 1st round bye.

I mean it's crazy. I would take Tom Brady over any QB in history. The dude owns virtually any playoff record of significance.

When you're protected by the refs, and you get your version of Bill Walsh for 17+ years, its not hard to see why Brady has accumulated so much success.

It always comes down to this. 2 mins left in the Super Bowl. Down by 4. Your own life is on the line. You can pick one QB in history to lead that drive. Who do you pick?

With stakes that high, not even Patriots fans would choose Brady. We all know who the best is.

That's right, they would choose their kicker, who I believe won 2 of the bowls for the pats. Either the kicker, or choose to play against a boneheaded coach that decides to pass instead of run it in.

Brady is a p***y!

Originally posted by JimA49ers:
That's right, they would choose their kicker, who I believe won 2 of the bowls for the pats. Either the kicker, or choose to play against a boneheaded coach that decides to pass instead of run it in.

I forgot about this gem.

Tomlin was so pist that all he could hear on the headsets were Patriots radio broadcasts.


He couldn't call them out harshly because of fines and would look like a ''poor sport.'' Probably would cost him his job.

Pats are proven cheaters time and time again. They know the ins and outs of the cheats.

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:

Originally posted by Niners99:
When you're protected by the refs, and you get your version of Bill Walsh for 17+ years, its not hard to see why Brady has accumulated so much success.

It always comes down to this. 2 mins left in the Super Bowl. Down by 4. Your own life is on the line. You can pick one QB in history to lead that drive. Who do you pick?

With stakes that high, not even Patriots fans would choose Brady. We all know who the best is.

You were 2 years old when Joe last won a SB. How would you know.

Joe's legacy was certainly cemented by 2 drives in playoff games thats for sure. To answer your question, I might take Rodgers given his arm strength, mobility, and accuracy. Not to mention his Hail Mary ability.

So youre saying you had to have witnessed something as it happened to know anything about it? This is tragic news to the historians of the world.

This is your OWN life on the line, and this is the Super Bowl. You're honestly leaving it up to Aaron Rodgers? Your funeral. Rodgers has been to 1 Super Bowl, and has a 10-7 career playoff record..

LOL I knew you would get butt hurt. So sensitive. lol There are a lot of great QBs that I might choose for a 4th quarter comeback and it has nothing to do with how many SBs they won. Peyton Manning would be right there. Brady. Joe. Rodgers. Manning is actually by far the greatest in 4th qt come from behind wins.

Joe wasnt perfect. Hell, even before he threw a couple of TD passes to win SB 23 he almost blew the game by throwing a ball right into the hands of Lewis Billips in the endzone. If Billips holds on to that easy pick Joe's legacy is not the same.

As for Rodgers, the talent on his GB teams doesnt even compare to the talent the 49ers had with Joe. He is pretty much the only reason that team wins anything. Just looking at career playoff record and nothing else is shortsighted

The Billups play wouldnt have blown the game. It was earlier in the quarter. It would've made it harder, but it wasnt a game ender. If were looking at dropped picks, every great has had their fair share of them.

You dont seem to be differentiating 2 mins left in the Super Bowl as a factor here. In the most pressure packed moment in someone's career, who stays calm? Who gets it done? I would never risk my own life on Tom Brady in that scenario. Everyone blames Welker for that drop, but Brady threw the ball behind him.

Brady needed Adam Vinatieri to get him his first 3 rings, and an idiotic play call from the Seahawks to get his 4th. Not to mention being babied his whole career in the protection era. If Seattle runs the ball on the 1, Brady would still be on a 12 year SB drought.

His career body of work is impressive, but its cumulative. Defenses cant touch him, so hes having some of his best years at almost 40 years old. His version of Bill Walsh has been there for 17 years and still going. Give Montana 17 healthy seasons with Bill Walsh and see what he accumulates. Montana was brutalized his entire career. He played hurt regularly.

Montana got his rings by performing at his ultimate best in the biggest moments. Tom Brady has needed outside help for all 4. Can you imagine Joe being owned by a team in the Super Bowl like the Giants own Brady?

I dont even know where to begin. First of all, if Billips makes the easy pick the Niners would never have been able to win that game. Even after scoring right afterward they still needed a miracle at the end. Joe almost cost the Niners that game with a bad throw. Just sayin. His legacy wouldnt be the same.

I think its laughable that you are saying Brady needed help from his kicker. LOL I guess the fact that he lead his team on last minute clutch drives to get Vinateri close enough to kick a FG doesnt count. First SB he drove the team from his 17 with 1.43 to go to put his kicker in a position to win it. Next SB he drove the team down with 1 minute to go to get close enough to win 32-29. By the way, he threw for 354 yards and 3 tds. All the Pats wins were close but that doesnt mean Brady wasnt clutch. He really was.

So Joe got his rings because he was awesome while Tom only got his through help. Um Kay. LMAO

They were still in the position to NEED a FG at the end. Brady couldn't finish the win himself. Montana blew out Marino and Elway. He stole victory away from league MVP Boomer Esiason with the 2 minute drive. His SB QB rating is 127.8, by far the best.

You should remember very clearly how violent the league was, especially the NFC for QB's at that time. The Bears, Giants, Eagles, etc. How you can give the edge to Brady, who played in a bubble, is beyond me.

Like I said, give Joe 16 seasons+ with Walsh and ref protection and guess how much more he wouldve accomplished.

All I can do is laugh. "Brady couldnt finish the win himself" DO you realize how dumb this statement is? He lead 2 long drives in the last minute to put his team in a chance to win on a FG.

BTW.. Montana didnt blow out Marino and Elway. The 49ers, with their 2 greatest teams ever, blew out mismatched Dolphins and Broncos teams. You werent alive yet (watch the game if you havent had a chance) but the Niners defense totally shut down Marino lead by Fred Dean and Gary Johnson. It was a total team effort.

Joe was brilliant in SBs. No one is denying that but Brady has been as well.

Ive watched all 5 of our SB wins in entirety. Good to know youre the same patronizing a-hole outside the Giants thread BTW. Whether or not I watched it live is totally irrelevant to this debate, thanks to the miracle of video and statistical records.

I know how much you love to play up the opposing sides greatness and play down your own teams', but take the time to counter my points about the advantages Brady has had in this era, and focus less on balancing on your high horse.

Pretty hard to not be be a little patronizing when I read a post like you just made. "Brady couldnt finish himself". Really 99? You are critical of Brady because all he could so was lead his team down the field for a game winning TD TWICE in the SB and for not throwing a TD pass instead? I promise you dont say that if Montana had lead the Niners to game winning FGs.

You are so biased regarding every one of your teams its crazy. I love my teams but I try to not be a homer but look at things fairly and objectively. Brady and Montana are BOTH amazing. I just dont get how anyone can say without any shadow of a doubt that Montana is clearly greater than Brady. Makes no sense.

Originally posted by RonMexico:
someone could come in and play for 10 years, win 10 superbowls for another team and niner fans would still say joe is the greatest

half of em never seent him play

This. So this.

Originally posted by LVJay:

Originally posted by RonMexico:

Originally posted by LVJay:
You would be one of them (never seen him play)?

yes

I feel you and understand where you're coming from. Brady is arguably the best QB of all time period. Having said that, I still have to argue that Montana is the best QB of all time in SBs. Because of that, there will always be this debate (especially and obviously with 49er fans).

I will say this tho, if Brady wins this next one, he's got my vote over Montana (very slight vote)

any one who has seen joe play knows who the best modern day qb is.

Tom Brady is a durable qb and runs good schemes very well. no magic or genius but a good field general.

Best of all time? Seriously? he's not the best in the NFL today. Come on man.

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by LVJay:

Originally posted by RonMexico:

Originally posted by LVJay:
You would be one of them (never seen him play)?

yes

I feel you and understand where you're coming from. Brady is arguably the best QB of all time period. Having said that, I still have to argue that Montana is the best QB of all time in SBs. Because of that, there will always be this debate (especially and obviously with 49er fans).

I will say this tho, if Brady wins this next one, he's got my vote over Montana (very slight vote)

any one who has seen joe play knows who the best modern day qb is.

Tom Brady is a durable qb and runs good schemes very well. no magic or genius but a good field general.

Best of all time? Seriously? he's not the best in the NFL today. Come on man.

next thing we will hear is that Brady is a nice game manager. Or is that the same as being a good field general?

He is a nice game manager. What? I don't get it.

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
He is a nice game manager. What? I don't get it.

or you could just stop trying to make comparisons across era

Montana was a great QB and I loved watching him play
Brady is a great QB and I appreciate watching him play

Just think of how many more superbowls Joe could have won with all these dont hit my QB rules....