Joe Montana Legacy Secured

Originally posted by tatdwolf49:
Just think of how many more superbowls Joe could have won with all these dont hit my QB rules....

Not to mention, the officials use to let DBs mug WRs worse than the holding crap cawkSuckers get away with these days

Joe wasn't with us as long as Brady with Bellichick / Patriots... I can imagine, even for just an 8 year period (not the whole length that Brady has been doing it), all kinds of "whining" and "don't hit my QB rules" ... that alone would've (at least) added 2 more SB wins to Joe's legacy

Originally posted by okdkid:

I'm sure it's both. But let's not forget -- Brady has had his knee torn up. Which makes his GOAT status even more cemented. He took a full year off and he's still crushing these all-time numbers. People trying to claim Montana is the GOAT over Brady are really grasping for straws. They're obvious both all-time greats. But if you take your Niner hat off for 5 min you can see pretty clearly that Brady is the all-time best.

Montana won 2 SBs after breaking his back.

Guys it's a great debate. But the reality is that the league is different now. You've got guys throwing for 5,000 yards a season, 40+ TDs ... When Montana played the only QB doing anything close to that was Marino. Stats are so inflated now - Matthew Stafford will eclipse every QB that played before 2000 stats wise. You taking Stafford in a big game?

To me it comes down to this - with the game on the line, 80 yards to go, TD to win, 2:00 minutes on the clock ... who you taking? I'll take Montana over Brady. I watched him do it so many times ... it was like watching Jordan - you just didn't have doubt that he would do it.

Brady is a great QB but I wouldn't choose him over Montana in a do or die situation. And to me the stats are meaningless if you're not clutch.

Originally posted by FrankCostello:

Originally posted by SunDevilNiner79:

Originally posted by RonMexico:

someone could come in and play for 10 years, win 10 superbowls for another team and niner fans would still say joe is the greatest

half of em never seent him play

True, unless you are 45 or older, I have a hard time believing you can actually fairly assess Joe's career. If you are born in 1970, you were 9-10 when his career started. Really you probably gotta be 55 or older to be old enough when Joe started out to really have a full measure of him.

Classic ... Devalue the perspective of a contrarian poster. Either by age or by number of posts.

The original point is valid. Many people arguing never saw joe play. Or maybe watched a highlight or two. That's just uninformed. seeing their qualities on the field makes the discussion moot imo.

Originally posted by midrdan:
Brady is a great QB but I wouldn't choose him over Montana in a do or die situation. And to me the stats are meaningless if you're not clutch.

There are a lot of good arguments for Montana over Brady, but a notion that clutch is the deciding factor is not a good one. Brady has 3 4th quarter game winning drives in SB's to his credit, and currently sits 2nd all time in game winning drives and 4th quarter comebacks.

I think it's reasonable to take Joe in a do or die situation, but it's not Joe is clutch and Brady isn't.

Originally posted by McClusky:

There are a lot of good arguments for Montana over Brady, but a notion that clutch is the deciding factor is not a good one. Brady has 3 4th quarter game winning drives in SB's to his credit, and currently sits 2nd all time in game winning drives and 4th quarter comebacks.

I think it's reasonable to take Joe in a do or die situation, but it's not Joe is clutch and Brady isn't.

Yes but how many of those game winning drives ended in field goals??? Brady -- and just about every other workhorse qb -- can ONLY DREAM of executing a back heel perfectly lofted pass for a come from behind td in the final minutes or a ballsy perfectly delivered slant in the end zone to your number two receiver to win the world championship.

Words cant really express the quality evinced by those plays and many others.

Tell me i am wrong.

Again, this is not about putting down brady.

This is about appreciating joe.

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Yes but how many of those game winning drives ended in field goals??? Brady -- and just about every other workhorse qb -- can ONLY DREAM of executing a back heel perfectly lofted pass for a come from behind td in the final minutes or a ballsy perfectly delivered slant in the end zone to your number two receiver to win the world championship.

Words cant really express the quality evinced by those plays and many others.

Tell me i am wrong.

A lot of that is game sequencing. Even discounting the field goals Brady has led go ahead TD's with 2:41 seconds to play in 2003, 2:42 seconds to play in 2007 and 2:02 seconds to play in 2014. Were those drives any less clutch because there was an additional ~1-2 minutes on the clock?

Brady had his at bats and has succeeded when he had them. That's all you can judge.

Brady wouldn't have lasted very long in the 80's. Joe would have flourished even more in today's "protect the QB and receivers at all costs league".

Are these super bowls or playoffs? Sorry i dont have access.

Game sequencing....is that a euphamism for clutch?

I like tom brady and i think he is better than the vast majority of normal people in the clutch.

Originally posted by midrdan:

Originally posted by okdkid:

I'm sure it's both. But let's not forget -- Brady has had his knee torn up. Which makes his GOAT status even more cemented. He took a full year off and he's still crushing these all-time numbers. People trying to claim Montana is the GOAT over Brady are really grasping for straws. They're obvious both all-time greats. But if you take your Niner hat off for 5 min you can see pretty clearly that Brady is the all-time best.

Montana won 2 SBs after breaking his back.

Hahaha pwned.

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Are these super bowls or playoffs? Sorry i dont have access.

Game sequencing....is that a euphamism for clutch?

I like tom brady and i think he is better than the vast majority of normal people in the clutch.

Those are Super Bowls.

Game sequencing is just how each team gained possession and when.

Originally posted by McClusky:

Those are Super Bowls.

Game sequencing is just how each team gained possession and when.

Got it.

In answer to your question, yes.

... but thats not to say brady is a carson palmer or some other chokester. Nobodys saying that.

Originally posted by McClusky:

Originally posted by midrdan:

Brady is a great QB but I wouldn't choose him over Montana in a do or die situation. And to me the stats are meaningless if you're not clutch.

There are a lot of good arguments for Montana over Brady, but a notion that clutch is the deciding factor is not a good one. Brady has 3 4th quarter game winning drives in SB's to his credit, and currently sits 2nd all time in game winning drives and 4th quarter comebacks.

I think it's reasonable to take Joe in a do or die situation, but it's not Joe is clutch and Brady isn't.

Yup. This is example A of Montana fans reaching. Brady is either the best or one of the best in virtually every QB statistic of significance. Don't like stats? Ok. He's done it in the FA era. He had a constant turnstile at RB and WR -- the dude wins Super Bowls regardless.