Joe Montana Legacy Secured

Originally posted by 49ers81:
I'm not much into arguments about who was the "greatest" this or that. Montana was the best QB of his generation Brady is the best QB of his. Both were locks for the HOF before their careers ended. There is no way to minimize Brady's achievements over the years but everything else being equal I think I would still pick Montana in his prime over Brady in his prime if I needed to win one game for two reasons, Montana was more athletic and could occasionally hurt you with his legs which Brady could never do. Both are INTENSE competitors but I don't recall ever seeing Joe get rattled. I can remember games where he was just getting pummeled and he'd get back up and go to work. Joe Cool. You hit Brady often enough and you can throw him off his game. I think it was a game against the Chiefs a couple of years where he was getting hit or sacked or hurried almost every time he dropped back and by the end of the game he was a mess, yelling at his lineman, storming around on the sidelines, Joe was always just Joe, out there doing his job. The other thing that gives Montana a slight edge is that at age 39 or whatever he was when he went to the Chiefs he took a team that was not nearly as talented as the ones he had played on in SF to the AFC Championship game his first year there. Although he was still playing in a WCO he had new coaches and players around him but he could still get it done. Brady has had the benefit of being with the same coach and system his entire career which in no way diminishes his remarkable play but it certainly has had to have helped him. And there is the fact that Joe never lost a Super Bowl or threw a pick in one, though he didn't appear in as many as Brady so who knows what might have happened. Because Joe and I are about the same age I will always have a soft spot for him but Brady has been pretty darn good. Too bad Walsh couldn't see past his own biases about the position, I believe I remember him saying that he thought Carmazzi (sp?) was the best QB in that draft because of his athleticism, and I think was consulting with the team at that time and recommended him to the front office, who knew.

Originally posted by McClusky:

Originally posted by fortyninerglory:

The rest of the NFL had to deal with FA losses and parity as well. Montana, though his teams were loaded, still went up against equally powerhouse monstrosities such as the Giants, Redskins, and Bears of the day. And the Patriots way is plug and play. They don't care who they lose, there's probably a good reason if they let a young star slip away. Lately it's been Chandler Jones, Jamie Collins, Revis, etc. Chris Hogan putting up 200 yds in a playoff game? Wtf?

I mean is that really a counter argument? If the Patriots offense is plug and play doesn't that really just speak to the excellence of the one consistent piece offensively?

Also, the NFC was a powerhouse in the 1980's, and even despite that, a greater % of Brady's playoff losses came to the eventual SB winner than Montana's did.

It's definitely a very real debate.

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Agree about Rogers. Quickest release ever. Stronger arm overall but joe threw very catchable balls. Joe king of slants.

But, for goat argument, wins and losses is a function of the team around you. Dont you agree? I think the skill asdessment is a bigger piece.

Originally posted by fortyninerglory:

Originally posted by McClusky:

Originally posted by fortyninerglory:

The rest of the NFL had to deal with FA losses and parity as well. Montana, though his teams were loaded, still went up against equally powerhouse monstrosities such as the Giants, Redskins, and Bears of the day. And the Patriots way is plug and play. They don't care who they lose, there's probably a good reason if they let a young star slip away. Lately it's been Chandler Jones, Jamie Collins, Revis, etc. Chris Hogan putting up 200 yds in a playoff game? Wtf?

I mean is that really a counter argument? If the Patriots offense is plug and play doesn't that really just speak to the excellence of the one consistent piece offensively?

Also, the NFC was a powerhouse in the 1980's, and even despite that, a greater % of Brady's playoff losses came to the eventual SB winner than Montana's did.

It's definitely a very real debate.

No doubt Brady is legendary but remember even Matt Cassell had success when Brady went down.

Originally posted by SoCold:
Brady and Montana are the same QB. Brady is better because...

Been lucky enough to only have 1 severe injury.
Been on a better team for a longer amount of time.
He's the Jerry Rice of QBs. He's a freak. He's prob gonna play for 20 years. Montana played 15.

Games played / Games Started
Brady 237/235
Montana 192/164

W/L
Brady 183/52
Montana 117/47

Career Comp %
Brady 63.8%
Montana 63.2%

Yards
Brady 61,582
Montana 40,551

TD Passes
Brady 456
Montana 273

INT
Brady 152 INT% 1.8%
Montana 139 INT% 2.6%

Originally posted by RonMexico:

Originally posted by SoCold:
Brady and Montana are the same QB. Brady is better because...

Been lucky enough to only have 1 severe injury.
Been on a better team for a longer amount of time.
He's the Jerry Rice of QBs. He's a freak. He's prob gonna play for 20 years. Montana played 15.

Games played / Games Started
Brady 237/235
Montana 192/164

W/L
Brady 183/52
Montana 117/47

Career Comp %
Brady 63.8%
Montana 63.2%

Yards
Brady 61,582
Montana 40,551

TD Passes
Brady 456
Montana 273

INT
Brady 152 INT% 1.8%
Montana 139 INT% 2.6%

ya but superbowl winning percentage is all that matters

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by 49ers81:
I'm not much into arguments about who was the "greatest" this or that. Montana was the best QB of his generation Brady is the best QB of his. Both were locks for the HOF before their careers ended. There is no way to minimize Brady's achievements over the years but everything else being equal I think I would still pick Montana in his prime over Brady in his prime.

If I needed to win one game for two reasons, Montana was more athletic and could occasionally hurt you with his legs which Brady could never do. Both are INTENSE competitors but I don't recall ever seeing Joe get rattled. I can remember games where he was just getting pummeled and he'd get back up and go to work. Joe Cool. You hit Brady often enough and you can throw him off his game. I think it was a game against the Chiefs a couple of years where he was getting hit or sacked or hurried almost every time he dropped back and by the end of the game he was a mess, yelling at his lineman, storming around on the sidelines, Joe was always just Joe, out there doing his job.

The other thing that gives Montana a slight edge is that at age 39 or whatever he was when he went to the Chiefs he took a team that was not nearly as talented as the ones he had played on in SF to the AFC Championship game his first year there. Although he was still playing in a WCO he had new coaches and players around him but he could still get it done. Brady has had the benefit of being with the same coach and system his entire career which in no way diminishes his remarkable play but it certainly has had to have helped him.

And there is the fact that Joe never lost a Super Bowl or threw a pick in one, though he didn't appear in as many as Brady so who knows what might have happened. Because Joe and I are about the same age I will always have a soft spot for him but Brady has been pretty darn good. Too bad Walsh couldn't see past his own biases about the position, I believe I remember him saying that he thought Carmazzi (sp?) was the best QB in that draft because of his athleticism, and I think was consulting with the team at that time and recommended him to the front office, who knew.

This.

Originally posted by SoCold:

Originally posted by RonMexico:

Originally posted by SoCold:
Brady and Montana are the same QB. Brady is better because...

Been lucky enough to only have 1 severe injury.
Been on a better team for a longer amount of time.
He's the Jerry Rice of QBs. He's a freak. He's prob gonna play for 20 years. Montana played 15.

Games played / Games Started
Brady 237/235
Montana 192/164

W/L
Brady 183/52
Montana 117/47

Career Comp %
Brady 63.8%
Montana 63.2%

Yards
Brady 61,582
Montana 40,551

TD Passes
Brady 456
Montana 273

INT
Brady 152 INT% 1.8%
Montana 139 INT% 2.6%

ya but superbowl winning percentage is all that matters

oh, ok

never mind then

Originally posted by RonMexico:

Originally posted by SoCold:

Originally posted by RonMexico:

Originally posted by SoCold:
Brady and Montana are the same QB. Brady is better because...

Been lucky enough to only have 1 severe injury.
Been on a better team for a longer amount of time.
He's the Jerry Rice of QBs. He's a freak. He's prob gonna play for 20 years. Montana played 15.

Games played / Games Started
Brady 237/235
Montana 192/164

W/L
Brady 183/52
Montana 117/47

Career Comp %
Brady 63.8%
Montana 63.2%

Yards
Brady 61,582
Montana 40,551

TD Passes
Brady 456
Montana 273

INT
Brady 152 INT% 1.8%
Montana 139 INT% 2.6%

ya but superbowl winning percentage is all that matters

oh, ok

never mind then

lock it up mods, we are done here

Originally posted by ChazBoner:

Winner: Brady.

Originally posted by SFTifoso:

Originally posted by ChazBoner:





Winner: Brady.