Joe Montana Legacy Secured

Originally posted by SFTifoso:

Originally posted by ChazBoner:

Originally posted by SFTifoso:

wtf is that

Originally posted by RonMexico:

Originally posted by ChazBoner:

Originally posted by SFTifoso:

wtf is that

breath holding competition with joe montana. Brady won.

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by McClusky:
I mean is that really a counter argument? If the Patriots offense is plug and play doesn't that really just speak to the excellence of the one consistent piece offensively?

Also, the NFC was a powerhouse in the 1980's, and even despite that, a greater % of Brady's playoff losses came to the eventual SB winner than Montana's did.

It's definitely a very real debate.

Did you see Joe play? Besides statistical reasons, what do you feel makes Brady the GOAT of the modern era?

Would you rather have Brady than Staubach, say?

I have a hard time making that claim, without the mobility piece, for me personally.

I'm not actually arguing Brady over Joe, As I usually do on this board I'm arguing against a bad logicial argument vs. what my opinion is.

I'm arguing that saying my guy accomplished something a certain way whereas the other guy didn't isn't the best means of an argument. Just because Joe scored his GW SB drive with 58 seconds vs. Brady with 2:02 left doesn't make it inherently more clutch. Nor does an argument saying that Brady wouldn't have lasted in Joe's rules considering Brady played 8 seasons before any rule changes were implemented, and had better overall health than Joe. They're limited by the opportunities they had. You can't take a hypothetical to hurt one guy, but ignore the downsides of the hypothetical for your guy.

If you want to make an argument, the best basis is preference for style as opposed to arguing that Brady is somehow less accomplished, because in reality Brady does have a slightly better resume.

Originally posted by SoCold:
4-0 >>>>>>>>>>>> 4/5-2

0 super bowl INT >>>>>>>>>>>> how many does Brady have?

Doesn't matter cause zero >>>>>>>>>>>>> ?

Actually 0 is technically <

Originally posted by McClusky:
I'm not actually arguing Brady over Joe, As I usually do on this board I'm arguing against a bad logicial argument vs. what my opinion is.

I'm arguing that saying my guy accomplished something a certain way whereas the other guy didn't isn't the best means of an argument. Just because Joe scored his GW SB drive with 58 seconds vs. Brady with 2:02 left doesn't make it inherently more clutch. Nor does an argument saying that Brady wouldn't have lasted in Joe's rules considering Brady played 8 seasons before any rule changes were implemented, and had better overall health than Joe. They're limited by the opportunities they had. You can't take a hypothetical to hurt one guy, but ignore the downsides of the hypothetical for your guy.

If you want to make an argument, the best basis is preference for style as opposed to arguing that Brady is somehow less accomplished, because in reality Brady does have a slightly better resume.

This man gets it. Good post

Originally posted by McClusky:

Originally posted by SoCold:
4-0 >>>>>>>>>>>> 4/5-2

0 super bowl INT >>>>>>>>>>>> how many does Brady have?

Doesn't matter cause zero >>>>>>>>>>>>> ?

Actually 0 is technically <

Originally posted by RonMexico:

Originally posted by ChazBoner:

Originally posted by SFTifoso:

wtf is that

Love child of Brady and Christian Slater.

Originally posted by SoCold:

Originally posted by RonMexico:

Originally posted by SoCold:

Brady and Montana are the same QB. Brady is better because...

Been lucky enough to only have 1 severe injury.
Been on a better team for a longer amount of time.
He's the Jerry Rice of QBs. He's a freak. He's prob gonna play for 20 years. Montana played 15.

Games played / Games Started
Brady 237/235
Montana 192/164

W/L
Brady 183/52
Montana 117/47

Career Comp %
Brady 63.8%
Montana 63.2%

Yards
Brady 61,582
Montana 40,551

TD Passes
Brady 456
Montana 273

INT
Brady 152 INT% 1.8%
Montana 139 INT% 2.6%

ya but superbowl winning percentage is all that matters

oh, ok

never mind then

Be careful comparing passing efficiency stats across eras.

Maybe mcclusky can quantify the stat inflation and we can apply the factor to career numbers.

Originally posted by McClusky:

I'm not actually arguing Brady over Joe, As I usually do on this board I'm arguing against a bad logicial argument vs. what my opinion is.

I'm arguing that saying my guy accomplished something a certain way whereas the other guy didn't isn't the best means of an argument. Just because Joe scored his GW SB drive with 58 seconds vs. Brady with 2:02 left doesn't make it inherently more clutch. Nor does an argument saying that Brady wouldn't have lasted in Joe's rules considering Brady played 8 seasons before any rule changes were implemented, and had better overall health than Joe. They're limited by the opportunities they had. You can't take a hypothetical to hurt one guy, but ignore the downsides of the hypothetical for your guy.

If you want to make an argument, the best basis is preference for style as opposed to arguing that Brady is somehow less accomplished, because in reality Brady does have a slightly better resume.

I dont think style is the right term. Athletic skill set is better.


I would substitute the term "different resume" for "better resume."

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Be careful comparing passing efficiency stats across eras.

Maybe mcclusky can quantify the stat inflation and we can apply the factor to career numbers.

Brady's best passing season 2007 68.9% Completion Percentage 4,806 Yards Passing 50 TD's 8 INT's and a 117.2 QB Rating
Montana's best passing season 1989 70.2% Completion Percentage 3,944 Yards Passing 26 TD's 8 INT's and a 112.4 QB Rating

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Be careful comparing passing efficiency stats across eras.

Maybe mcclusky can quantify the stat inflation and we can apply the factor to career numbers.

Brady's best passing season 2007 68.9% Completion Percentage 4,806 Yards Passing 50 TD's 8 INT's and a 117.2 QB Rating
Montana's best passing season 1989 70.2% Completion Percentage 3,944 Yards Passing 26 TD's 8 INT's and a 112.4 QB Rating

What i mean is, figuring how much more successful qbs are today, and applying an adjust ment to stat comparisons.

uh brady had no receivers. Uh montana won 2 with out rice. And i dont care iof you go to 30 superbowls, and win only 4 or 5. undefeated is undefeated

Originally posted by fan49:
uh brady had no receivers. Uh montana won 2 with out rice. And i dont care iof you go to 30 superbowls, and win only 4 or 5. undefeated is undefeated

So would you rather go to 10 and "only" win 5 or go to one and win one. I mean, undefeated is undefeated right?

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:

Originally posted by fan49:
uh brady had no receivers. Uh montana won 2 with out rice. And i dont care iof you go to 30 superbowls, and win only 4 or 5. undefeated is undefeated

So would you rather go to 10 and "only" win 5 or go to one and win one. I mean, undefeated is undefeated right?

point is if joe went to 6 he would have won six. Brady hasn't won every superbowl. Joe has. Every Brady win had an asterisk by it