Joe Montana Legacy Secured

brady is not winning this game any ways. so add another loss to his record. Atlanta is ballin too hard right now

Originally posted by fan49:

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:

Originally posted by fan49:
uh brady had no receivers. Uh montana won 2 with out rice. And i dont care iof you go to 30 superbowls, and win only 4 or 5. undefeated is undefeated

So would you rather go to 10 and "only" win 5 or go to one and win one. I mean, undefeated is undefeated right?

point is if joe went to 6 he would have won six. Brady hasn't won every superbowl. Joe has. Every Brady win had an asterisk by it

LOL

Originally posted by SoCold:
4-0 >>>>>>>>>>>> 4/5-2

0 super bowl INT >>>>>>>>>>>> how many does Brady have?

Doesn't matter cause zero >>>>>>>>>>>>> ?

When you want a solid chance of winning in the SB, you go with Brady...

To assure a guaranteed win, you roll with Montana!

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#NuffSaid #LockThisBadBoyUp

Originally posted by fortyninerglory:

Originally posted by McClusky:

Originally posted by fortyninerglory:
The rest of the NFL had to deal with FA losses and parity as well. Montana, though his teams were loaded, still went up against equally powerhouse monstrosities such as the Giants, Redskins, and Bears of the day. And the Patriots way is plug and play. They don't care who they lose, there's probably a good reason if they let a young star slip away. Lately it's been Chandler Jones, Jamie Collins, Revis, etc. Chris Hogan putting up 200 yds in a playoff game? Wtf?

I mean is that really a counter argument? If the Patriots offense is plug and play doesn't that really just speak to the excellence of the one consistent piece offensively?

Also, the NFC was a powerhouse in the 1980's, and even despite that, a greater % of Brady's playoff losses came to the eventual SB winner than Montana's did.

It's definitely a very real debate.

No doubt Brady is legendary but remember even Matt Cassell had success when Brady went down.

When Montana and Young went down Steve Bono went 5-1.

Originally posted by BobS:
When Montana and Young went down Steve Bono went 5-1.

Even Grbac wants a piece of this debate

Originally posted by LVJay:

Originally posted by BobS:
When Montana and Young went down Steve Bono went 5-1.

Even Grbac wants a piece of this debate

Doh, well they both learned from the masters under their tutelage :)

Originally posted by fortyninerglory:

Originally posted by LVJay:

Originally posted by BobS:
When Montana and Young went down Steve Bono went 5-1.

Even Grbac wants a piece of this debate

Doh, well they both learned from the masters under their tutelage :)

You are right. Steve Young was a good mentor.

Montana, Brady, Manning, Favre, Young, Rodgers...the list goes on.

Hard to displace Montana from the top....& one thing that is going for Brady is that his supporting cast has always been average at best. His coach makes up for that by his various schemes and putting players in spots where they can succeed the most. Montana has repeatedly said Brady was already better than him...whatever that means when there are so many variables.

Best not to compare players from diff eras because the rules of the game were different.

Originally posted by fortyninerglory:
Doh, well they both learned from the masters under their tutelage :)

One was a Grand Master

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:

Originally posted by McClusky:

Originally posted by midrdan:

Brady is a great QB but I wouldn't choose him over Montana in a do or die situation. And to me the stats are meaningless if you're not clutch.

There are a lot of good arguments for Montana over Brady, but a notion that clutch is the deciding factor is not a good one. Brady has 3 4th quarter game winning drives in SB's to his credit, and currently sits 2nd all time in game winning drives and 4th quarter comebacks.

I think it's reasonable to take Joe in a do or die situation, but it's not Joe is clutch and Brady isn't.

I concur. Some in here want to make the claim that Joe is better because he finished off a SB with a game winning TD instead of game winning fgs. Well, first of all it was only in ONE SB. There were no other clutch 4th quarter moments in the others. Secondly, Brady did have 3 4th quarter comebacks in SBs where he just needed FGs in the end. Two of those needed drives with barely over a minute on the clock. So, clutch is not a fair or sensible argument at all.

It's not just SBs man. The Catch. 28 points down in the 4th quarter on the road in Philly after having been sacked six times. Coming back from back surgery to win two rings. Fending off a HOFer pining to the media every week to replace him.

Everything about Joe was "come back kid" - the guy frigging led a SB winning drive having a panic attack.

What will Brady be remembered for? The rings and the records are impressive but nothing signature stands out to me, really. I mean other than losing a perfect season in the SB.

HOFers ... how many did Montana play with? Rice Lott and Dean? Brady played with Vinatieri, Moss and Bruschi. Roger Craig? Corey Dillon. John Taylor? Wes Walker. Brent Jones? Gronk. Lott? Harrison. Turner? Bruschi.

You guys loving Brady act like it would be easier to win consistently before the salary cap era. It wasn't. Teams were loaded. You act like playing the Bills now twice a year is somehow harder for the Pats than it was when the Bills could keep Kelly and Thomas and Reed and those guys. I mean that team has more HOFers than the 49ers did and they didn't win one SB.

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:

When I think quick release I think of Marino, Namath, and Rodgers.

Yea thats a pretty good trio.

I never saw Namath play prior to knee injury.

Marino was the best overall functional thrower of anybody I have seen at any time in the last 45 years. Genius arm.

Rogers gets the ball out faster than anyone I can recall. The time from recognition to delivery is eye-measurably faster than his peers. Not really close.

Super Bowl passer rating

99.. Nice stats. However, I dont think anyone is saying that Joe hasnt been the best in SuperBowls. If it was simply who is the GOAT in the SB this wouldnt be a debate.

Originally posted by fan49:
And i dont care iof you go to 30 superbowls, and win only 4 or 5. undefeated is undefeated

This argument is absolutely horrible, and yet countless 49ers fans continue to argue it until they are blue in the face.

Losing in the Super Bowl should not matter. If Montana was undefeated in the playoffs it would certainly have merit, but there were many times he was eliminated from the playoffs, sometimes in the first game off the playoffs. Losing the opening game of the playoffs is not better than losing in the Super Bowl. That's like saying, "well, finishing 2nd is worse than finish 6th." It's just asinine.

The funny thing about these discussion is that if you go to a Patriots site, everyone says that Brady is without a doubt the GOAT. If you go to a Niners site, the vast majority of people say that Montana is without a doubt the GOAT. It's funny -- it's almost like there's bias at play. Must just be a coincidence though. ;)