Joe Montana Legacy Secured

Originally posted by BowmanBest:
Anyone over 50 writing these posts and comments or over 14 watching Joe start as a niner?

Going to be 56 in a week and come from a place and time where the man ruled the roost, and most families had one TV. So if your dad was a sports fan guess what I watched? College football was on Saturday morning, not cartoons. I remember baseball players that retired when I was 5 years old. (Sandy Koufax). I saw John Brodie play.

Originally posted by eastie:

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:

Originally posted by BowmanBest:
Anyone over 50 writing these posts and comments or over 14 watching Joe start as a niner?

Yep And yes I am over 50 and saw every game Joe started. Mostly in section 24 on the 50 yard line. I am not an expert but I can at least say Ive seen them both play a lot of football.

But seriously, I am not in the camp that Brady OR Joe is the GOAT without question. I am simply in the camp that it isnt a slam dunk that Joe is. It is so difficult to compare eras. It would be stupid to say that Joe wouldnt be able to do well with the speed of todays game just like it is stupid to say that Brady wouldnt have been able to survive the toughness of Joes time. Neither can be proved and neither are logical.

Joe was magnificent in his time especially in Super Bowls. I believe he was the best in his era - yes better than Marino or Elway. I also believe that Brady is the best of the past 15 years - better than Manning. But I also think its impossible to say which of these 2 great players is the GOAT.

There have been a number of great quarterbacks to play in the Super Bowl, but of them all, Joe Montana is the best. He played in the big game four times, going a perfect 4-0 with some absolutely unbelievable stats. In his four trips, Montana never had a passer rating below 100.0. He never threw an interception, had 11 touchdown passes and two rushing touchdowns, finishing with a career passer rating of 127.8 in the Super Bowl – the highest of any quarterback. He may not have the volume of records that Brady holds from his six trips (completions, attempts, yards), but Montana's numbers are far better, particularly in an era that wasn't as pass-heavy as it is now

Aside from Tom's INTs their numbers are pretty close. It's a lot easier to have better numbers and throw less INTs when you don't pass as much. Joe avg. 30.5 pass attempts in his 4 super bowls. Tom avg. 41 attempts in his 6 super bowls.

Joe faced an avg. defense ranking of 9th best and Tom an avg. defense ranking of 7th best. They both faced number one defensive teams. Joe vs Denver and Tom vs Seattle. They both had their best games against those top defenses. Joe with 5 td passes against Denver and Tom with 4 against Seattle.

Both amazing QBs

Originally posted by eastie:
There have been a number of great quarterbacks to play in the Super Bowl, but of them all, Joe Montana is the best. He played in the big game four times, going a perfect 4-0 with some absolutely unbelievable stats. In his four trips, Montana never had a passer rating below 100.0. He never threw an interception, had 11 touchdown passes and two rushing touchdowns, finishing with a career passer rating of 127.8 in the Super Bowl – the highest of any quarterback. He may not have the volume of records that Brady holds from his six trips (completions, attempts, yards), but Montana's numbers are far better, particularly in an era that wasn't as pass-heavy as it is now

honestly that's the most retarded argument ever. when you beat a team 38-16 or 55-10 that means you played a vastly inferior team. montana had it easy on couple of those SBs. niners were just too dominant.

pats played in a close game everytime they went to the SB. why? because of a salary cap. it's an even playing field. it's a chess match. there's no margin for an error.

what would happen if brady finishes his career with 9SB appearances and wins 6? is 4-0 better than 6-3? give me a break.

Originally posted by SoCold:
Aside from Tom's INTs their numbers are pretty close. It's a lot easier to have better numbers and throw less INTs when you don't pass as much. Joe avg. 30.5 pass attempts in his 4 super bowls. Tom avg. 41 attempts in his 6 super bowls.

Joe faced an avg. defense ranking of 9th best and Tom an avg. defense ranking of 7th best. They both faced number one defensive teams. Joe vs Denver and Tom vs Seattle. They both had their best games against those top defenses. Joe with 5 td passes against Denver and Tom with 4 against Seattle.

Both amazing QBs

I dont know why people only throw out SB stats when no one is debating who is the GOAT in Super Bowls. Joe clearly has the best numbers, is undefeated in 4 games, and easily could have had 4 MVPS (although that could be said for Brady as well). As much as I think it is impossible to choose between the 2 for their entire body of work, I also believe that SBs is a pretty easy call at this moment.

if you objectively look at brady's career it's basically a career of montana + young combined. niners were dominant as this pats. but niners did it with 2QBs. and pats did with brady.

that's how long brady will play and how much he will win. just think about it.

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:

Originally posted by SoCold:
Aside from Tom's INTs their numbers are pretty close. It's a lot easier to have better numbers and throw less INTs when you don't pass as much. Joe avg. 30.5 pass attempts in his 4 super bowls. Tom avg. 41 attempts in his 6 super bowls.

Joe faced an avg. defense ranking of 9th best and Tom an avg. defense ranking of 7th best. They both faced number one defensive teams. Joe vs Denver and Tom vs Seattle. They both had their best games against those top defenses. Joe with 5 td passes against Denver and Tom with 4 against Seattle.

Both amazing QBs

I dont know why people only throw out SB stats when no one is debating who is the GOAT in Super Bowls. Joe clearly has the best numbers, is undefeated in 4 games, and easily could have had 4 MVPS (although that could be said for Brady as well). As much as I think it is impossible to choose between the 2 for their entire body of work, I also believe that SBs is a pretty easy call at this moment.

it's the same thing they said about the 49ers being 5-0 in super bowls

Originally posted by natediaz:
if you objectively look at brady's career it's basically a career of montana + young combined. niners were dominant as this pats. but niners did it with 2QBs. and pats did with brady.

that's how long brady will play and how much he will win. just think about it.

that's a cool take, I like that

Originally posted by natediaz:
if you objectively look at brady's career it's basically a career of montana + young combined. niners were dominant as this pats. but niners did it with 2QBs. and pats did with brady.

that's how long brady will play and how much he will win. just think about it.

Nate.. where are you from? Pats fan?

I ask because you have only posted in this thread and seem as biased towards Brady as many in here are towards Joe.

Originally posted by natediaz:

if you objectively look at brady's career it's basically a career of montana + young combined. niners were dominant as this pats. but niners did it with 2QBs. and pats did with brady.

that's how long brady will play and how much he will win. just think about it.

"objectively"? Don't think so brother.

http://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/103029-tim-ryan-casts-his-vote-montana-brady-debate/

this is how I've felt for years... and stand by the facts ... Montana played football in a time when you really got hit, and look at what he has done. Now QB'S are protected if a player leads with his helment ... Totally agree ... today records are being broken in record time bc how easy it is for QB and WR can open but not suffer for the catch like back in the day. I have laid aside my Ninerror loyalty and have made a fair choice on this Montana VA Brady. Brady and his coaches have been caught multi times cheating... Montana zero... As of now Montana is still top dog

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:

Originally posted by natediaz:
if you objectively look at brady's career it's basically a career of montana + young combined. niners were dominant as this pats. but niners did it with 2QBs. and pats did with brady.

that's how long brady will play and how much he will win. just think about it.

Nate.. where are you from? Pats fan?

I ask because you have only posted in this thread and seem as biased towards Brady as many in here are towards Joe.

i'm a seattle fan.i come here alot. honestly ya'll screwed up. letting go of harbaugh? thank you for that.
i'm trying to be objective here. it's ridiculous when niners fans say 4-0 > whatever record. how's that a valid argument? what happens if brady wins 6SB? 7?

and i just niners were just unfairly loaded. those 84 and 89 niners 2 of the greatest team ever.

i respect both organizations. i marvel at brady's greatness. he has montana's traits. IMO brady is like montana 2.0. brady has the added anger. montana was all about being cool and collected. brady is cool, collected and angry.

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by natediaz:
if you objectively look at brady's career it's basically a career of montana + young combined. niners were dominant as this pats. but niners did it with 2QBs. and pats did with brady.

that's how long brady will play and how much he will win. just think about it.

"objectively"? Don't think so brother.

combine montana's and young's wins, stats, and awards. and then compare it with brady. brady isn't far off. all brady needs is couple more years of stat padding to surpass both of them combined.

Brady will have 7 rings by the time he retires.

At least we still have Rice

Originally posted by Constantine:
http://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/103029-tim-ryan-casts-his-vote-montana-brady-debate/

this is how I've felt for years... and stand by the facts ... Montana played football in a time when you really got hit, and look at what he has done. Now QB'S are protected if a player leads with his helment ... Totally agree ... today records are being broken in record time bc how easy it is for QB and WR can open but not suffer for the catch like back in the day. I have laid aside my Ninerror loyalty and have made a fair choice on this Montana VA Brady. Brady and his coaches have been caught multi times cheating... Montana zero... As of now Montana is still top dog

again, today's players are bigger and stronger, so when you get hit today it probably hurts more. and brady is a pocket passer. he ain't michael vick or RGIII.

montana threw to jerry rice who used stickum. and if you ever followed deflategate, it's been debunked by the science. and when did brady was part of a spygate? that's coaches doing and both jimmy johnson and bill cowher said that everybody taped everybody. that's no big deal. brady played with inflated ball all year and he went to superbowl this year.


let's not act like brady never got hit.








today's players will just be fine in the 80's. if peyton manning plays in the 80's he would destroy the league. players get better. they don't get worse.

The Diesel was just on local ESPN radio here in Central Virginia. He was discussing Brady saying Matt Cassell went 11-5 a couple years back and this year they were 3-1 with "rookies" when Brady was suspended. Players come and go, but New England has it figured out like no other NFL team and the reason is BILL BELICHICK and not Tom Brady. Oh yea, the Diesel is John Riggins Hall of Fame running back for those that don't know.