Joe Montana Legacy Secured

Originally posted by BobS:

Originally posted by LVJay:


First of all, Brady is not on anything banned from the league (imho) and he is the real deal, and (imho, again) if he gets his 5th ring, he's arguably the greatest of all time, but just not in SBs (THAT IS A FACT!!).


If someone who pays attention wants to be honest and stop with the BS, they will tell you that athletes (not just football, but mostly football since that's what we're talking about here), in comparison to the football players / athletes from days of old, are a lot bigger, stronger and faster than previous eras (including Joe's era). The Game (whatever sport), players, sports medicine / science / doctors has evolved. To think that Joe would not have been one of the players that did not take advantage and thrive off today's training / legal medicine (in order to get better, muscular, stronger, etc.) is only biased and kidding [only THEMSELVES]!

First I never even implied Brady was using PEDs, why do people keep saying that? I was saying there are more users today getting away with it than ever. Athletes have advanced, but as you mentioned it is mostly do to sports medicine. That sports medicine includes better surgical procedures, better rehabbing procedures and pharmaceuticals of the illegal kind. A lot of people are implying humans have measurably evolved along with training methods the last 30 years and that is nonsense. When I was in college (in Joe's era) I played ref at High School passing league games and officiated at High School skills competitions they had in the area. Sprints were hand timed with digital stop watches and we took the average of two guys timing each run. Even back in the late 70's there were 17 year olds running 4.4's in the 40 and 9.6 in the 100 yard dash. All the other things you discusses I was listing other's thoughts, not mine. I believe Brady would have done well in Joe's era and vice versa. I think at this point they are very close and if you swapped them out the results would have been very much the same. Another note on Brady, the guy won his first 10 straight play-off games.

L0L, I kinda guessed you thought that post was directed or in reply to one of your posts. Yes and no. Mainly, I just wanted to get my opinion out there on how I felt about both QBs and still agree / allude that Joe is the GOAT when it comes to [winning] SBs

Yes Brady is very impressive and when he came off the bench for injured Bledsoe he did some amazing things. Regardless if they won thought SB by a Vinatieri FG, Brady did well to get them to the SB / enough to put them in position to win.

I have to wonder... where would Montana be if he and Walsh stuck around as long as Brady / Belichick have been together? It's not farfetched to think he would have the same success (quantity of SBs), and I gotta believe he'd have a few more rings to add to his other hand.

Originally posted by donalddole:
I don't get why that makes Brady the GOAT.

Look up Brady's stats, he was not 'the man' the first 3 super bowls. A strong, important player, absolutely! But it was only later that he became part of the discussion for a top QB. Then as time passed, people forgot what he really did at the start of his career during the first 3 SBs. It took Brady *8* seasons to post an over 100 passer rating, and this is in the 2000s where QB rating is much easier to get high marks than in the 80s. Joe got over 100 in his 6th season in his 2nd super bowl season. Joe was THE MAN. Brady was not really for his first 3 SBs. People just view him differently now because of the back half of his career where he improved and got smarter.... but JUST IMAGINE WHAT JOE COULD HAVE DONE WITH THE SAME RULES!!! Aaaaaaaaaahhhh. Its so obvious.

Absolutely hilarious that people say things like "oh but Joe would be beat up in today's game" -- LMFAO seriously... just stop. You must be like 15. You need to go watch like 5 classic NFL games to see what the NFL used to be like. I think the NFL had to change for the sake of player's mental condition, but my my my how quickly history is forgotten. This used to be a *rough* game. It's still rough, but QBs are like ballerinas back there now. Joe would flourish being protected.

Exactly!

To be quite honest, with the way olines are built these days and the way the game has changed to benefit offense / QBs, I really do believe Joe would be able to make a pot of coffee and bake a few Betty Crocker cookies while sitting back there in a rocking chair, throwing TDs all day to two, dirty, wet socks for WRs.

Brady may be the goat in the regular season / playoffs (getting to the SB), but once my team gets in there, the swap would be made. Montana is the GOAT when it comes to winning SBs.

Originally posted by donalddole:

Originally posted by 49er-from-Yavin-IV:

If the Patriots win SB LI it will be difficult to argue against Brady as the GOAT. But it's a fair point to say Montana had greater individual performances on his SB resume.

I don't get why that makes Brady the GOAT.

Look up Brady's stats, he was not 'the man' the first 3 super bowls. A strong, important player, absolutely! But it was only later that he became part of the discussion for a top QB. Then as time passed, people forgot what he really did at the start of his career during the first 3 SBs. It took Brady *8* seasons to post an over 100 passer rating, and this is in the 2000s where QB rating is much easier to get high marks than in the 80s. Joe got over 100 in his 6th season in his 2nd super bowl season. Joe was THE MAN. Brady was not really for his first 3 SBs. People just view him differently now because of the back half of his career where he improved and got smarter.... but JUST IMAGINE WHAT JOE COULD HAVE DONE WITH THE SAME RULES!!! Aaaaaaaaaahhhh. Its so obvious.

Absolutely hilarious that people say things like "oh but Joe would be beat up in today's game" -- LMFAO seriously... just stop. You must be like 15. You need to go watch like 5 classic NFL games to see what the NFL used to be like. I think the NFL had to change for the sake of player's mental condition, but my my my how quickly history is forgotten. This used to be a *rough* game. It's still rough, but QBs are like ballerinas back there now. Joe would flourish being protected.

Whoever is saying that, it's not me, I'm old enough to have witnessed Joe's greatness. I would love to have the clones, or rather reincarnations of Bill Walsh and Joe Montana right about now. Hopefully we're about to be getting such people.

Originally posted by genus49:
Joe also had Bill Walsh who was an offensive innovative genius and that certainly helps develop QB. Belichick is an amazing coach but his strength was defense.

And Brady got his first 100 passer rating in his 7th season as a starter. It also happened to be the first time the Pats took the resources to get him legit WRs to throw to and all he did was put up historical numbers and was a miracle catch by David Tyree away from going 19-0.

Montana got injured on a legal play which could just as easily happen today so not sure what you're talking about. Would Joe's numbers be better today? Absolutely but he'd also be playing at a time when WCO is a known system at this point vs still being relatively new when Walsh installed it here.

QBs are protected today. It doesn't mean they don't get hit. And they get hit hard. Assuming Joe wouldn't get killed toddy is just that...an assumption. Same way assuming Brady couldn't hack it in the 80s.

Wow go watch an old game

Originally posted by genus49:

Yeah cuz it was all Young. We got stuck with another HOF QB...how awful.

Young was great. My favorite 49er to this day. Young probably would've had 3 titles if not for the cowboys being so good. That NFC championship was more the Super Bowl then the actual Super Bowl because u knew the winner of that game was going to win it all.

Originally posted by donalddole:

Wow go watch an old game

I'm probably older than you...doesn't change anything I wrote.

Originally posted by dirtyrottenscoundrel:
Young was great. My favorite 49er to this day. Young probably would've had 3 titles if not for the cowboys being so good. That NFC championship was more the Super Bowl then the actual Super Bowl because u knew the winner of that game was going to win it all.

steve young pissed the two losses down his legs in my opinion. joe never would have. jimmy johnson said at the time that the stage was to big for steve young at the time and he was right plus the niners allowed their defense to get old and while they could beat most teams. they could not beat dallas. it was only when young grew up a bit. the team got a good running back in watters and they had to buy him a defense in 94 that young could finally win the big game,. then the team let the defense get old again. they for some reason refused to address the running back spot when ricky left.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Answer that a politician would give. Trump does not approve.

Bringing up Russell Wilson and Cam Newton is not a politician answer. It's a legit answer from a guy who doesn't buy his own hype...even though he should.

BS, its a humble brag. Saying "Im not really that good" is just him trying to be super modest, but knowingly ridiculous, so everyone will go "Not that good!? You might be the best ever!"

"The security people clearly said it was a resident who lives in the neighborhood, but given the past history of the Patriots with Super Bowls, it won't be surprising if people start to get conspiracy theories bubbling. The Patriots were previously punished by the NFL for Spygate and reportedly filmed practice sessions of more than 40 opponents from 2000-07.

Former Rams running back Marshall Faulk said this week he still believes that the Patriots taped their practices before they lost to New England in Super Bowl XXXVI."

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/super-bowl-2017-drone-caught-flying-over-falcons-practice-before-game-vs-patriots/?linkId=34139348

Originally posted by Niners99:

BS, its a humble brag. Saying "Im not really that good" is just him trying to be super modest, but knowingly ridiculous, so everyone will go "Not that good!? You might be the best ever!"

You know him personally right? It's pretty obvious Brady is a chit actor. Yet everyone who knows him personally says how down to earth and humble the guy is.

Originally posted by fortyninerglory:

"The security people clearly said it was a resident who lives in the neighborhood, but given the past history of the Patriots with Super Bowls, it won't be surprising if people start to get conspiracy theories bubbling. The Patriots were previously punished by the NFL for Spygate and reportedly filmed practice sessions of more than 40 opponents from 2000-07.

Former Rams running back Marshall Faulk said this week he still believes that the Patriots taped their practices before they lost to New England in Super Bowl XXXVI."

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/super-bowl-2017-drone-caught-flying-over-falcons-practice-before-game-vs-patriots/?linkId=34139348

Matt Patricia did study aeronautical engineering...must've been the Pats.

Originally posted by fortyninerglory:
"The security people clearly said it was a resident who lives in the neighborhood, but given the past history of the Patriots with Super Bowls, it won't be surprising if people start to get conspiracy theories bubbling. The Patriots were previously punished by the NFL for Spygate and reportedly filmed practice sessions of more than 40 opponents from 2000-07.

Former Rams running back Marshall Faulk said this week he still believes that the Patriots taped their practices before they lost to New England in Super Bowl XXXVI."

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/super-bowl-2017-drone-caught-flying-over-falcons-practice-before-game-vs-patriots/?linkId=34139348

Had nothing to do with play on the field right?

Originally posted by jcs:

Had nothing to do with play on the field right?

Marshall Faulk was a great player but he's a whiny b***h who didn't like that the Pats killed their huge hype that year. He's been crying ever since then because he can't rationalize that their superior team just got outplayed.

If I remember correctly, Joe never through a pick-six in the SB. Brady is not the GOAT. He's great, but not better than Joe.

Originally posted by trogdor:
If I remember correctly, Joe never through a pick-six in the SB. Brady is not the GOAT. He's great, but not better than Joe.

an int for that matter