Joe Montana Legacy Secured

Originally posted by 49erFan816:

I never considered Brady over Montana. Imagine if Montana played with the rules that Brady has today. Heck Brady even has a rule named after him after his season ending injury in the first game of the 08 season.

Also you never seen any of highlights of Joe exploding on the sidelines to teammates and coaches and sometimes refs like you do Brady when things aren't going right.

Yeah and I believe if S. Young was able to play in todays rules we couldve had one more bowl

Originally posted by DelCed2486:
Who cares if it was 21-0...Niners were down 17-0 to ATL in NFCCG, gosh, why didn't the "better" team win? The fact is the '83 49ers tied it, and DUH, got robbed on a couple terrible penalty calls...so to say there was "no way" they were going to beat Washington is ridiculous.

yep, probably the only time i layed the blame for a loss 100 per cent on the refs. there was no way we were going to be allowed to be the redskins

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by DelCed2486:
Who cares if it was 21-0...Niners were down 17-0 to ATL in NFCCG, gosh, why didn't the "better" team win? The fact is the '83 49ers tied it, and DUH, got robbed on a couple terrible penalty calls...so to say there was "no way" they were going to beat Washington is ridiculous.

yep, probably the only time i layed the blame for a loss 100 per cent on the refs. there was no way we were going to be allowed to be the redskins

No conspiracy, just bad calls that 49ers had misfortune to be on the wrong side of.

Originally posted by DelCed2486:

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by DelCed2486:
Who cares if it was 21-0...Niners were down 17-0 to ATL in NFCCG, gosh, why didn't the "better" team win? The fact is the '83 49ers tied it, and DUH, got robbed on a couple terrible penalty calls...so to say there was "no way" they were going to beat Washington is ridiculous.

yep, probably the only time i layed the blame for a loss 100 per cent on the refs. there was no way we were going to be allowed to be the redskins

No conspiracy, just bad calls that 49ers had misfortune to be on the wrong side of.

One of the very few times that Bill Walsh publicly complained about officiating.

Originally posted by crake49:

Originally posted by 9moon:
my post was based on my memory.... and I'm glad Wiki is around to help you and correct what I may have not fully remember.. but the fact is, Washington that year was just too awesome... the Diesel was unstoppable, well, until hey faced the Raiders.. Even their kicker had only missed 1 FG..

The entire NFC East was usually a juggernaut in those days and that Redskins team was really good - no question about it. I was always just bitter because after staging a huge comeback, they basically lost on a highly questionable penalty. And I really was up for a Niner-Raider Super Bowl. The Raiders were still a big deal back in those days and it would have been epic.

And, since this is a Joe Montana thread, I should point out that Montana TOTALLY out-played Theisman. I think Montana went for something like 350 yards. If memory serves, the Niners couldn't run on them and it was basically all on Montana.

YES!! that was really the main reason why we weren't goint to beat the Redskins that day... Wendell Tyler and Roger Craig couldn't run against their front 7...
and to make a long story short, we just didn't have that IT, back in 1983...

Originally posted by DelCed2486:

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by DelCed2486:
Who cares if it was 21-0...Niners were down 17-0 to ATL in NFCCG, gosh, why didn't the "better" team win? The fact is the '83 49ers tied it, and DUH, got robbed on a couple terrible penalty calls...so to say there was "no way" they were going to beat Washington is ridiculous.

yep, probably the only time i layed the blame for a loss 100 per cent on the refs. there was no way we were going to be allowed to be the redskins

No conspiracy, just bad calls that 49ers had misfortune to be on the wrong side of.

i think there WAS a conspiracy in that game,. i really do. yes i know i was a younger cciowa then and now i chide people who blame losses on refs, but that was different,, i firmly believe for whatever reason, the niners were not going to be allowed to win that game

Originally posted by 9moon:
YES!! that was really the main reason why we weren't goint to beat the Redskins that day... Wendell Tyler and Roger Craig couldn't run against their front 7...
and to make a long story short, we just didn't have that IT, back in 1983...

and despite that, we still should have won. we did everything possible to win that game,. and it was not going to be allowed in my opinion

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
6 Super Bowls > 4 Super Bowls.

Brady is better.

That does it. You're really not a 49er fan, are you? lol

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

That does it. You're really not a 49er fan, are you? lol

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

6 Super Bowls > 4 Super Bowls.

Brady is better.

That does it. You're really not a 49er fan, are you? lol

Lol Brady has no chance vs Montana, Montana played grid iron ball.

Originally posted by dwy621:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
6 Super Bowls > 4 Super Bowls.

Brady is better.

So if you had to pick 1 QB to win a game, you would pick Brady? I don't think so!

Nah SD is just being SD and stirring the pot. If someone posted that the sky was more blue than pink and green poka-dot, and everyone agreed, SD would post the contrary and swear the sky was more pink and green poka-dot than blue every time......

Brady is tarnished with those fumbling stats. Turnovers are a huge part of the game. Was it a deflated ball midseason that prevented a turnover that allowed them to get a home game instead of Away? Was it a divisional round fumble that didn't happen? There are too many unknowns and the report indicated they thought the deflating had gone on a long time, at least to the beginning of the 2014 season. People point to the 2nd half of the Colts game, but what about all the other games?

Let's also remember, Brady played in an easy conference compared to the NFC Montana played in. So I'm not impressed with all of Brady's SB appearances, just like I'm not impressed with Lebron's number of finals appearances. Obviously, Brady won more.

Obviously, Tom is a great quarterback. I just can't say "Best" considering the "what ifs" and the fumbling data, and I'm not impressed with all the SB appearances in a weak conference vs. Joe who had probably the toughest conference of all time in terms of the road to the playoffs.

Originally posted by InsertNameHere:

Originally posted by IHATELOWELLCOHN:

Originally posted by InsertNameHere:

Originally posted by IHATELOWELLCOHN:

Originally posted by InsertNameHere:
Really Joe Montana would've been no better than Akili Smith or Quincy Carter without Walsh and all of the HOF players surrounding him.

Some people just can't resist being an (insert word here).

Akili has more passing yards, more TDs, less interceptions, better completion pct., better QB rating, thats a fact. He also played with worse talent and coaches in the NFL, also a fact.

You're talking about college??? College??? Lol!!!

LOL.....alright, I'll stop f**king around. It obvious Montana is one of the greatest, however I was a bigger Young fan because of my age(34)

Yeah you just missed Montana. I'm 37 and remember from about 84 on. You don't remember the 88-89 seasons. If you can remember 89 and still like Young over Montana I'm impressed. Steve was unlike any QB I'd ever seen when he arrived taking on Mike Singletary just running over LBs but Joe was like watching something smooth. He just always seemed to come through when you started to get worried or just when you thought today isn't the day he would throw 4 2nd half TDs and it would be quick too. They would be down 10-13 points and all of a sudden it's the 5:00 minute mark in the 4th quarter and we're up 14. Young was great too but didn't have the same smoothness to his game except the SD SB.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

6 Super Bowls > 4 Super Bowls.

Brady is better.

Dont be butthurt just because the 49ers beat your Chargers in the SB.

Joes legacy is the gold standard and will stand up to any scrutiny.

chase it if you can, but your gold will never be as pure as Montana and 49er Gold . . . . Brady and the Patriots, never.

Originally posted by crake49:

Originally posted by phatbutskinny:
Montana is obviously better, but the 4-0 > 4-2 argument to use in favor of Montana is stupid. Technically, it means Brady won more conference championships and an equal amount of super bowls

No. It means Montana has a perfect record in Super Bowls and Brady doesn't. You can't beat perfection. Yes, Brady won more Conference championships. That's another issue. And if you want to go there, you need to consider Montana's conference. Do you really think Brady's American conference in the 2000's was as tough as Montana's National conference in the 80's?

Like I said, Montana is better, but it is technically a poor argument. Yes, the Super Bowl is the 'big game' so it looks worse when you lose, but it means you were 2nd best. Losing in the conference championship means you were 3rd best.

Technically, Montana was 1st place 4 times, and then 3rd place a few more times. Brady was 1st place 4 times and then 2nd place a few more times. Factually, Brady is better if you use this argument. You can say that Montana had tougher conference opponents, but he still lost, he just didn't do it in the big game so nobody acts likeit happened. A loss is a loss.

Anyway, Montana is better. I just hate when people use that argument. We could be using the argument that Montana had to play in a tougher era, or didn't have to rely on his kicker, etc. Those are better arguments, instead of pointing to the simple 4-0 > 4-2 stat, which doesn't even consider the fact that Montana couldn't even get to the SB