Joe Montana Legacy Secured

Originally posted by LasVegasWally:
TB is greatest QB of the generation of football.

Rules changes are the key

IMO, Joe was best of his generation when WR rules were different

Joe, IMO, would never have withstood the beatings Unitis took and he was the greatest of his gen

A lot of fans are unaware that a lot of major rule changes happened right before Joe hit the league that took some of the violence out of the game. In the Unitas era you could hit someone in the head, either by the famous Deacon Jones head slap or striking with the helmet. Clothes-lining was also legal along with spearing when Unitas played. In Johnny's day it was common for a QB to look as dirty, beat up and bloody as a middle linebacker.

Originally posted by LasVegasWally:
TB is greatest QB of the generation of football.

Rules changes are the key

IMO, Joe was best of his generation when WR rules were different

Joe, IMO, would never have withstood the beatings Unitis took and he was the greatest of his gen

Yes the game changes, which is why you can't compare. Just for the record, Montana has said that he thinks that Jonny U is the greatest.

I just posted on Facebook:

"If Joe Montana had the career of Tom Brady, he would have lost twice to the Cincinnati Bengals instead of beating them"

Originally posted by 9moon:
THINK about what you just asked..

biggest comeback..

That alone tells you that JOE was never in that predicament.. plus, look at some of Brady's wins (w/all due respect)

1. Kicker wins it vs the Rams (not to mention the HIDDEN VIDEOS)

2) Kicker wins it vs the Panthers

3) THE CALL 1 - Seattles' decision to pass the ball inside the 3 yard line

4) THE CALLS 2 - Falcons' decision to throw the ball on two consecutive plays when their kicker only needed 3 more yards to show off his legs.


plus, don't tell me the records that Brady put up in the Super Bowl, had Montana played for 7 of them, his records would have been out of reach !!

1. What video are you babbling about? Seriously...you have anything but Marshall Faulk's b***hfest to back this up? I worked with the father of the guy who wrote that article and he said his son got played and the story pretty much ruined his life.

The pats were also 14 point underdogs and everyone thought they'd get demolished in that game. There's also the fact that the FG wasn't necessary. The game was tied. Even John Madden thought the Pats would play for OT. The situation didn't call for a must need TD. Brady did what he had to against a pretty good defense with very limited weapons.

2. Kicker missed 2 FGs earlier in the game. Brady threw for 354 yards and 3 TDs. If Vinateri doesn't miss the earlier kicks Brady doesn't need a last minute FG. And once again...the game was tied.

3. How about the miracle Kearse catch for 33 yards and the fact that the Pats defense let them march all the way down there? Are you honestly trying to discredit Brady for that one?

4. Throwing the ball wasn't the issue, taking the sack was. No guarantee they make the FG either since they had one nearly blocked earlier. Once again trying to discredit Brady for how he played at the end of the game is pathetic.

Super Bowl Marks:

Championships — Tom Brady: 5 | Joe Montana: 4

Most Valuable Player Awards — Tom Brady: 4 | Joe Montana: 3

Record — Tom Brady: 5-2 | Joe Montana: 4-0

Touchdowns — Tom Brady: 15 | Joe Montana: 11

Interceptions — Tom Brady: 5 | Joe Montana: 0

Completion Percentage — Tom Brady: 67.0 | Joe Montana: 68.0

Passing Yards — Tom Brady: 2,071 | Joe Montana: 1,142

Completions — Tom Brady: 207 | Joe Montana: 83

Passer Rating — Tom Brady: 95.3 | Joe Montana: 127.8

Margin of Victory in Super Bowl Wins — Tom Brady: +19 | Joe Montana: +76

Originally posted by JTsBiggestFan:
I just posted on Facebook:

"If Joe Montana had the career of Tom Brady, he would have lost twice to the Cincinnati Bengals instead of beating them"

congrats...lol

Two things:

yes, Montana's legacy is secure. Nothing anyone ever does will affect it.

Montana played in a different time. Otto Graham had a better career than both of them, but they aren't comparable. Ask Brady. He'll never say hes better than Montana. Have fun watching great football and r.e.l.a.x. Montana was the best. So was Brady. So was Unitas.

Watching Joe always reminded me of Unitas.They both had that confidence and swagger.

Originally posted by theninermind:
Two things:

yes, Montana's legacy is secure. Nothing anyone ever does will affect it.

Montana played in a different time. Otto Graham had a better career than both of them, but they aren't comparable. Ask Brady. He'll never say hes better than Montana. Have fun watching great football and r.e.l.a.x. Montana was the best. So was Brady. So was Unitas.

Originally posted by theduke85:

Originally posted by 9moon:
That alone tells you that JOE was never in that predicament.. plus, look at some of Brady's wins (w/all due respect)

Yesterday, the Patriots were down 14-0. Tom Brady threw a pick-6 and the Patriots were down 21-0.

Do you remember January 9th, 1988? A playoff game? Vikings at 49ers? The 49ers were down 13-3. Late in the second quarter, Joe Montana was picked off by Najee Mustafaa, who returned it 48 yards for a touchdown, putting the Vikings up 20-3. God, that's almost the exact same thing!

But yeah, you're right, Joe was "never in that predicament". Well, I mean, he was. Because it's almost identical. Joe went 12-26 that game, with 0 TD and 1 INT (42.0 passer rating). In fact, he was benched in the third quarter for Steve Young.

But hey, remember, none of this happened in the Super Bowl, so it doesn't matter. Remember, if Joe Montana struggled earlier in the playoffs, we pretend that it didn't happen. You know, it's funny... it's almost like, if Joe Montana didn't play terribly in this game that the 49ers could've been to another Super Bowl? Isn't that weird? It's almost like the "never lost a Super Bowl" argument is asinine, because there were playoff games that Montana was awful, and those games prevented the 49ers from getting to more Super Bowls. It's great that Montana was flawless in the Super Bowl. It's too bad he wasn't always flawless in the playoffs, or we would've won even more Super Bowls.

we talkin about SUPER BOWL .. Montana and the team being down 21..

Originally posted by SoCold:
Kicker winning the game has to be the lamest argument of all time. QB has to get the kicker into FG range for them to attempt a game winning FG.

Matty Ice had 52 seconds when the game was tied to get his team into FG range to win it.

Did he. no.

lol

He was so nervous, it was visible. That one 5 yard dump off pass

Imo Rice is still the best player to ever wear cleats.

Originally posted by WINiner:
Imo Rice is still the best player to ever wear cleats.

And yet by the logic of several people in here he cannot be the greatest because he cheated...

One other thing. Montana retired at 38. He didn't play in 1991 or 1992. He wasn't on the field when we lost the 1990 NFC Championship. He had 1981 through 1989. Nine years and 1982 was a strike year. And the dude one 4 Super Bowls. And 2 of them were huge blow outs. Again. Different careers.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
Rooney family are the best. Kraft and Eddie are the second tier.

What should be argued is the fact that are current ownership is publicly suing a former player for 300k when he hasn't been here for over two seasons....

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
He isnt though. Its obvious uf you saw the two play. Rogers is the only qb from this era thats in the conversation.