Joe Montana Legacy Secured

Originally posted by Jesu80ncleats:
Its dumb to compare ERAs, we cant put Montana in this era and we cant put Brady in Montana's. There is no debate its fantasy, all we really have are memory and stats. Seattle game is a sorry excuse, it was obvious that they were thinking pass because they thought the Pats were thinking Lynch which was the obvious play, had they pulled it off imo everyone would have said Carrol was smart for passing since Lynch was the obvious choice. The second is you're removing the Pats drive to take the lead before Seattle's last possession which is unfortunate and i think you guys do that to fit a narrative that Brady cant win on his own, which is also wrong. And the Falcon excuse is cute except they gave up a 25 point lead, it was obvious that the Defense gave up and so did that Offensive line.

For me its tough, Montana was perfect in his 4 wins, never throwing pics and never needing his kicker to win, on the other hand Brady needed his defense and his kicker in his first two SB's and he also lost two against the Giants. However his regular season numbers will go down as one of the greatest ever (better than Montana's) and his postseason performances are THE greatest of all time as far appearances and his overall numbers in those games. IMO in the SB Montana still gets the slight edge, I feel like Brady needs to win one more and would supplant Joe.

P.S. also compare Montana's margin of victory in those SB's vs Brady's

That is an example that in a way favors Brady. Joe played in a time with no F/A or Salary Cap. You could not only keep the great ones home but they played together for years and didn't need as much leadership to come together and that's not a knock on Joe's leadership. Joe didn't play Defense he ran the offense and outside of the 55-10 trouncing the games he played in were pretty close.

There's an interview with S.Young out there that's a couple years old that has him compare the two....I think he said it best...

They are both legends and you can't compare because one has simply built on what the other created...just like Joe Took what those ahead of him developed Brady is taking from Joe and making it his own. There are only a handful of these masters in the history of the league and we are getting to appreciate one today.

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by Jesu80ncleats:
Its dumb to compare ERAs, we cant put Montana in this era and we cant put Brady in Montana's. There is no debate its fantasy, all we really have are memory and stats. Seattle game is a sorry excuse, it was obvious that they were thinking pass because they thought the Pats were thinking Lynch which was the obvious play, had they pulled it off imo everyone would have said Carrol was smart for passing since Lynch was the obvious choice. The second is you're removing the Pats drive to take the lead before Seattle's last possession which is unfortunate and i think you guys do that to fit a narrative that Brady cant win on his own, which is also wrong. And the Falcon excuse is cute except they gave up a 25 point lead, it was obvious that the Defense gave up and so did that Offensive line.

For me its tough, Montana was perfect in his 4 wins, never throwing pics and never needing his kicker to win, on the other hand Brady needed his defense and his kicker in his first two SB's and he also lost two against the Giants. However his regular season numbers will go down as one of the greatest ever (better than Montana's) and his postseason performances are THE greatest of all time as far appearances and his overall numbers in those games. IMO in the SB Montana still gets the slight edge, I feel like Brady needs to win one more and would supplant Joe.

P.S. also compare Montana's margin of victory in those SB's vs Brady's

That is an example that in a way favors Brady. Joe played in a time with no F/A or Salary Cap. You could not only keep the great ones home but they played together for years and didn't need as much leadership to come together and that's not a knock on Joe's leadership. Joe didn't play Defense he ran the offense and outside of the 55-10 trouncing the games he played in were pretty close.

There's an interview with S.Young out there that's a couple years old that has him compare the two....I think he said it best...

They are both legends and you can't compare because one has simply built on what the other created...just like Joe Took what those ahead of him developed Brady is taking from Joe and making it his own. There are only a handful of these masters in the history of the league and we are getting to appreciate one today.

and brady plays in a time where he cant take a real hit like montana. 5 ints.... 2 losses enuff sai

Everyone needs to stop trying to compare Montana and Brady. I am a niner fan and i'm always going to say Montana is the GOAT and Patriots fans will say Brady is the GOAT, but you can not compare them. They played in 2 different era's. in the 80's the defenses were allowed to maul the receivers and you could hit players and QB's all you want. Today the game is catered to the offense, and the numbers qb's are going to put up are ridiculous. In the 80's and 90's you never had qb's putting up 4,000 yards a season. And i don't want to hear that Brady went to 7 Super Bowls and Montana only went to 4, (Imagine this then, again I know this is a what if scenario but, Imagine if Montana did not get smashed by Leonard Marshall in the 1991 NFC Championship game (Could've been a 49er 3peat) and Montana then would not have missed 2 years after that, and maybe then the niners win the 1992 NFC Championship game against the Cowboys, and go on and beat the Bills, He could have 6 Super bowl victories today then.) It's such a stupid debate, you can play the what if scenario with anyone. There is no right or wrong answer. People will say Montana is the best and people will say Brady is the best. They are both awesome. The only thing that both Niner fans and Patriot fans and i think anyone will ever agree on is that the 49ers and Patriots both were/are very lucky to have these qb's on the team in those eras and would love to have either one of them on our teams now. I can not stand Brady, but i have to give him respect for what he has done and the fact that you will always hear him respecting Joe and giving him all the accolades he deserves.
So is Montana the best? In my eyes he is and that's all that i need to hear and know. I could care less about stats or other so called pro analysts giving their OPINION!

Originally posted by pd24:

Joe did coke?

Nose fulls of coke. Reports are lots and lots.

Originally posted by fan49:
and brady plays in a time where he cant take a real hit like montana. 5 ints.... 2 losses enuff sai

lol like he didn't take any hits last night...

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by theduke85:

Originally posted by 9moon:
That alone tells you that JOE was never in that predicament.. plus, look at some of Brady's wins (w/all due respect)

Yesterday, the Patriots were down 14-0. Tom Brady threw a pick-6 and the Patriots were down 21-0.

Do you remember January 9th, 1988? A playoff game? Vikings at 49ers? The 49ers were down 13-3. Late in the second quarter, Joe Montana was picked off by Najee Mustafaa, who returned it 48 yards for a touchdown, putting the Vikings up 20-3. God, that's almost the exact same thing!

But yeah, you're right, Joe was "never in that predicament". Well, I mean, he was. Because it's almost identical. Joe went 12-26 that game, with 0 TD and 1 INT (42.0 passer rating). In fact, he was benched in the third quarter for Steve Young.

But hey, remember, none of this happened in the Super Bowl, so it doesn't matter. Remember, if Joe Montana struggled earlier in the playoffs, we pretend that it didn't happen. You know, it's funny... it's almost like, if Joe Montana didn't play terribly in this game that the 49ers could've been to another Super Bowl? Isn't that weird? It's almost like the "never lost a Super Bowl" argument is asinine, because there were playoff games that Montana was awful, and those games prevented the 49ers from getting to more Super Bowls. It's great that Montana was flawless in the Super Bowl. It's too bad he wasn't always flawless in the playoffs, or we would've won even more Super Bowls.

we talkin about SUPER BOWL .. Montana and the team being down 21..

Do you know that if a team loses in the playoffs their season ends? I don't give a damn if it's the Super Bowl or not, the playoffs are the playoffs. Every game is important.

Quit ignoring the games where Montana s**t his pants (they happened), stop trying to make him out to be infallible (he had a handful of awful games in the playoffs), and stop romanticizing the Super Bowl vs. the rest of the playoffs (every game is of paramount importance).

Can we just be happy to have been able to witness 2 of the greatest QBs to ever play the game?

Originally posted by fan49:

and brady plays in a time where he cant take a real hit like montana. 5 ints.... 2 losses enuff sai

Cant take a hit...like this?

Here's one thing.......


Quarterbacks are well better protected compared to back then.

Montana had some brutal hits from ferocious defenses.

Brady has the Manning rule.

You guys can debate for Montana all you want. The problem is that Brady has all the numbers to back his case.

My opinion is that Montana played the game at a higher level than Brady. Joe just felt unstoppable whereas Brady had the fortune to play against teams that keep shooting themselves in the foot for some reason.

But 40 years from now, Brady's case can be objectively argued with his numbers. Enough said. Brady is the greatest.

Originally posted by saniner:

Originally posted by fan49:
and brady plays in a time where he cant take a real hit like montana. 5 ints.... 2 losses enuff sai

Cant take a hit...like this?

shoulder to shoulder , People were actually trying to kill montana

Originally posted by WINiner:

Originally posted by pd24:
Joe did coke?

Nose fulls of coke. Reports are lots and lots.

Damn. I didn't know that.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
shoulder to shoulder , People were actually trying to kill montana

The NFL is not a flag football league....yet....

Careers are still cut short every day to big hits and injuries. To say he's viewed at a lower level because he is protected a little more than Joe isn't right especially when you include the length of his career so far, not even manning could do what he's doing.

I remember watching Marino twitch his nose while playing and wondering what he was doing that for.

Originally posted by pd24:
Damn. I didn't know that.

Originally posted by robniner:
Here's one thing.......


Quarterbacks are well better protected compared to back then.

Montana had some brutal hits from ferocious defenses.

Brady has the Manning rule.

Just because they're protected doesn't mean QBs today don't take some brutal hits. The hit that took Montana out would be perfectly legal today. Some of the hits Brady took yesterday were pretty damn hard. Grady Jarret was killing him.