Joe Montana Legacy Secured

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by saniner:

Originally posted by fan49:
and brady plays in a time where he cant take a real hit like montana. 5 ints.... 2 losses enuff sai

Cant take a hit...like this?

shoulder to shoulder , People were actually trying to kill montana

Of course he got up real quick... Brady (6'4 225) >>> Clements (6' 209 lbs)

Nate probably hurt himself. Montana would've juked him for extra yards

Ignore the fact that it's bayless...

Originally posted by jcs:
Ignore the fact that it's bayless...

I tried, but how can you ignore his annoying ass... I get what he's saying, and rightfully so. Brady's the man!

But Skippy acting like Brady was clutch against a top 3 defense... they were gassed late in the 4th / OT.

Pats are known for coming back by huge deficits

Originally posted by NinerGM:
Stats never communicate context. The mic hasn't been dropped. Eras can't be compared IMHO. He's the difference between then and now.... the competition was so high that one mistake kills the game. I know people who've only seen this era are used to seeing NFC Champ games or even Super Bowls with interception(s) - plural. The competition was different. Montana usually beat other HOF QBs or beat, dominated some of the best defenses in the league. With Dwight Clark - years before Rice and Taylor.

THIS! I've stated similar things, but it'll just get ignored

Take away Eli Manning's SB wins and he won't be going to HOF (that's a fact)...

But thanks to Brady (he can't beat him in the big game), Eli will be a first ballot

Originally posted by LVJay:

Originally posted by jcs:
Ignore the fact that it's bayless...

I tried, but how can you ignore his annoying ass... I get what he's saying, and rightfully so. Brady's the man!

But Skippy acting like Brady was clutch against a top 3 defense... they were gassed late in the 4th / OT.

Pats are known for coming back by huge deficits

This was the biggest comeback in the history of the Super Bowl...

Biggest in Brady's career...

I'm still trying to absorb it all...might catch it again on NFL network....

Originally posted by NinerGM:
Stats never communicate context. The mic hasn't been dropped. Eras can't be compared IMHO. He's the difference between then and now.... the competition was so high that one mistake kills the game. I know people who've only seen this era are used to seeing NFC Champ games or even Super Bowls with interception(s) - plural. The competition was different. Montana usually beat other HOF QBs or beat, dominated some of the best defenses in the league. With Dwight Clark - years before Rice and Taylor.

82 and 89 were not against HOF teams or QB's....

Originally posted by WINiner:

Originally posted by pd24:

Originally posted by WINiner:

Originally posted by pd24:

Joe did coke?

Nose fulls of coke. Reports are lots and lots.

Damn. I didn't know that.

It was the 80's.

I have never once heard that. Where are these "reports"?

Originally posted by Niners99:
I have never once heard that. Where are these "reports"?

http://articles.latimes.com/1985-11-14/sports/sp-2416_1_joe-montana
http://articles.dailypress.com/1990-01-26/sports/9001260010_1_drug-tests-nfl-s-drug-testing-program
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/05/05/report-fbi-was-snooping-around-joe-montana/
http://www.nytimes.com/1990/01/26/sports/nfl-s-drug-testing-program-called-inconsistent-and-unfair.html

I just think it's hilarious that 49er fans are ripping other 49er fans in this thread as "homers" for still maintaining that Joe Montana is a better QB. The guy is Joe Montana. It is still quite acceptable to consider him the best of all time.

The fact is they both played for great head coaches. They both played with hall of famers and stacked teams. They both played in divisions that were historically weak. They both dominated the postseason.

The differences are really: (1) is it harder to win now versus when Joe played because of the salary cap; (2) what impact the rules changes in today's game have on evaluating QB play; and (3) the fact that NE has been busted for cheating several times during Brady's run.

I think it is harder to go 13-3 now than it was in the 1980s given the cap. But it's easier to win in the playoffs IF you just so happen to have a great coach and QB.

I think the rules changes inflate passing statistics making a discussion of who the greatest is based in numbers a misguided discussion.

And I think the scandals surrounding the Patriots will forever be explained away by those that love Tom Brady and forever pointed to as an asterisk by those that favor the integrity of the game.

To me it's a personal thing and it will always be Montana. And I am def not a fanboy.

I cant think of this game without his name connected to it.

Brady does not have the same personal impact.

Don't care about the stats or the difference in the relative eras but Montana transcended more than just the game.

It will be different for others I'm sure.

GOAT discussions aside, I'm greatly relieved that we've never played in a Super Bowl against the Patriots nor play in the AFC. As of right now, all we can say is we lost three regular season games total to them in the Brady/Belichick era. Imagine all the AFC teams (especially the Jets, Bills and Dolphins) who have to go year-in and year-out of being one of the Patriots *****es, or being one of the five NFC teams who had to suffer a heartbreaking Super Bowl loss at the expense of Brady and Belichick's greatness.

If it were the Dallas Cowboys, Seattle Seahawks, Oakland Raiders, etc. dominating the NFL for the entire 21st century, this would be much harder to deal with. The fact that it's an AFC team that hasn't broken us or title-blocked us nor had any kind of rivalry with us makes me feel better.

Originally posted by jcs:

That is an example that in a way favors Brady. Joe played in a time with no F/A or Salary Cap. You could not only keep the great ones home but they played together for years and didn't need as much leadership to come together and that's not a knock on Joe's leadership. Joe didn't play Defense he ran the offense and outside of the 55-10 trouncing the games he played in were pretty close.

There's an interview with S.Young out there that's a couple years old that has him compare the two....I think he said it best...

They are both legends and you can't compare because one has simply built on what the other created...just like Joe Took what those ahead of him developed Brady is taking from Joe and making it his own. There are only a handful of these masters in the history of the league and we are getting to appreciate one today.

Montana also played in an era without free agency. Look at the guys NE has signed - Moss, Revis, Harrison, Dillon, Welker. People here act like the 49ers were this stacked team and then Joe came in and reaped the benefits. Walsh built a great team over the course of many drafts but it started with Joe. The team was horrible until 1981.

NE went to the SB in 1996 with Milloy, Law, McGinest, Bruschi among many others. Those guys were the heart of the 2001 team that won the SB.

Originally posted by midrdan:
Montana also played in an era without free agency. Look at the guys NE has signed - Moss, Revis, Harrison, Dillon, Welker. People here act like the 49ers were this stacked team and then Joe came in and reaped the benefits. Walsh built a great team over the course of many drafts but it started with Joe. The team was horrible until 1981.

NE went to the SB in 1996 with Milloy, Law, McGinest, Bruschi among many others. Those guys were the heart of the 2001 team that won the SB.

FA also made it impossible to keep the Moss's, Revis's, and Welker's for more than a few years. Joe had the benefit of keeping his stars around him for the duration of his career.

The argument that the 49ers were stacked and NE has been Brady and a bunch of average players is stupid.

Montana played with four HOFers: Rice for 2 SBs, Lott for 4 SBs, Haley for 2 SBs and Dean for 1 SB.

Brady has played with several future HOFers: Gronk, Moss, Vinatieri, Revis and a ton of great players like Seymour, Wilfork, McGinest, Law, Ted Washington, Rodney Harrison, Mike Vrabel, Corey Dillon, Bruschi, Welker, Branch.

Let's all agree that NE has had very good talent during this run.

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by midrdan:

Montana also played in an era without free agency. Look at the guys NE has signed - Moss, Revis, Harrison, Dillon, Welker. People here act like the 49ers were this stacked team and then Joe came in and reaped the benefits. Walsh built a great team over the course of many drafts but it started with Joe. The team was horrible until 1981.

NE went to the SB in 1996 with Milloy, Law, McGinest, Bruschi among many others. Those guys were the heart of the 2001 team that won the SB.

FA also made it impossible to keep the Moss's, Revis's, and Welker's for more than a few years. Joe had the benefit of keeping his stars around him for the duration of his career.

He played with Rice for as many seasons as Brady played with Moss. His "stars" for the first two SBs? Lott and ... Dwight Clark?

The point is how many SBs do the 49ers win with DeBartolo in his prime if they could grab other teams' best players to fill holes? NE wins against Seattle ... that doesn't happen without Revis. NE wins in 2004. That doesn't happen if they don't snare Corey Dillon. Harrison was a pretty good add. Welker too. How many SBs does NE win with only their draft picks?