Joe Montana Legacy Secured

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:

GOAT discussions aside, I'm greatly relieved that we've never played in a Super Bowl against the Patriots nor play in the AFC. As of right now, all we can say is we lost three regular season games total to them in the Brady/Belichick era. Imagine all the AFC teams (especially the Jets, Bills and Dolphins) who have to go year-in and year-out of being one of the Patriots *****es, or being one of the five NFC teams who had to suffer a heartbreaking Super Bowl loss at the expense of Brady and Belichick's greatness.

If it were the Dallas Cowboys, Seattle Seahawks, Oakland Raiders, etc. dominating the NFL for the entire 21st century, this would be much harder to deal with. The fact that it's an AFC team that hasn't broken us or title-blocked us nor had any kind of rivalry with us makes me feel better.

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:

GOAT discussions aside, I'm greatly relieved that we've never played in a Super Bowl against the Patriots nor play in the AFC. As of right now, all we can say is we lost three regular season games total to them in the Brady/Belichick era. Imagine all the AFC teams (especially the Jets, Bills and Dolphins) who have to go year-in and year-out of being one of the Patriots *****es, or being one of the five NFC teams who had to suffer a heartbreaking Super Bowl loss at the expense of Brady and Belichick's greatness.

If it were the Dallas Cowboys, Seattle Seahawks, Oakland Raiders, etc. dominating the NFL for the entire 21st century, this would be much harder to deal with. The fact that it's an AFC team that hasn't broken us or title-blocked us nor had any kind of rivalry with us makes me feel better.

Dude I am sure you know this, but Oakland are an AFC team. You could substitute the NY Giants?

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:

GOAT discussions aside, I'm greatly relieved that we've never played in a Super Bowl against the Patriots nor play in the AFC. As of right now, all we can say is we lost three regular season games total to them in the Brady/Belichick era. Imagine all the AFC teams (especially the Jets, Bills and Dolphins) who have to go year-in and year-out of being one of the Patriots *****es, or being one of the five NFC teams who had to suffer a heartbreaking Super Bowl loss at the expense of Brady and Belichick's greatness.

If it were the Dallas Cowboys, Seattle Seahawks, Oakland Raiders, etc. dominating the NFL for the entire 21st century, this would be much harder to deal with. The fact that it's an AFC team that hasn't broken us or title-blocked us nor had any kind of rivalry with us makes me feel better.

In 4 years when we play them again the regular season Brady and the Sideline Troll will be gone.

Brady was down 10 points in the 4th quarter against the dominant Seahawks defense. He came back to beat them.
This game he was down by 25 points midway through the 3rd quarter. On the last drive in the 4th quarter, he drove 91 yards down the field. Greatest comeback in super bowl history.

He owns all the playoff passing records. Been to 3 more Super Bowls than Montana. 3 more!!!! Has 5 rings.

Not to mention, this wasn't just one good run with the same team. He has done this with an ever changing roster.

Cmon' guys....... Just admit it. Brady is the best ever. Montana is second.

This thread is going in circles.

First off, we cant really compare prior to rozelle. No film data. So when we say goat we mean goat of post rozelle era. That goes for joe and brady. We cant really compare to unitas van brocklin baugh.

If you prioritive longevity you have to give brady consideration. He has been more productive longer than anyone in modern football at qb. Of course there are some rule changes that help with that joe didnt enjoy. More importantly there is an attitude change towards headhunting qbs from the 80s to now that minimizes the risk to marquee players. They are seen as financial rainmakers for the league whose success is essential for tv ratings. There is an acknowledged disincentive for teams to take them out. Attitude was not there in the 80s.

But for athletic qualities and mental processing again there are only a few hyper elite players. Joe is on the list Tom isnt.

Thats not an argument that can be countered by statistics and championships. But it is a valid one and is conclusive in my book.

Originally posted by PatrickWillisHOF:

Brady was down 10 points in the 4th quarter against the dominant Seahawks defense. He came back to beat them.
This game he was down by 25 points midway through the 3rd quarter. On the last drive in the 4th quarter, he drove 91 yards down the field. Greatest comeback in super bowl history.

He owns all the playoff passing records. Been to 3 more Super Bowls than Montana. 3 more!!!! Has 5 rings.

Not to mention, this wasn't just one good run with the same team. He has done this with an ever changing roster.

Cmon' guys....... Just admit it. Brady is the best ever. Montana is second.

Hard to admit, but the truth is the truth. Brady IS the best ever. Love Montana to death but after this past SB comeback win, Brady finally took over, for me at least.

Originally posted by PatrickWillisHOF:

Brady was down 10 points in the 4th quarter against the dominant Seahawks defense. He came back to beat them.
This game he was down by 25 points midway through the 3rd quarter. On the last drive in the 4th quarter, he drove 91 yards down the field. Greatest comeback in super bowl history.

He owns all the playoff passing records. Been to 3 more Super Bowls than Montana. 3 more!!!! Has 5 rings.

Not to mention, this wasn't just one good run with the same team. He has done this with an ever changing roster.

Cmon' guys....... Just admit it. Brady is the best ever. Montana is second.

Dont agree. It is a matter of opinion and you are going to have to allow people to have theirs.

By the way, I dont see anything that amazing about reaming a gassed Atlanta D.

Originally posted by NinerGM:
Stats never communicate context. The mic hasn't been dropped. Eras can't be compared IMHO. He's the difference between then and now.... the competition was so high that one mistake kills the game. I know people who've only seen this era are used to seeing NFC Champ games or even Super Bowls with interception(s) - plural. The competition was different. Montana usually beat other HOF QBs or beat, dominated some of the best defenses in the league. With Dwight Clark - years before Rice and Taylor.

I'm not really sure how this is different. Brady has spent his career going up against Manning and Roethlisburger, and won a SB against a HOF MVP QB. He went up against the Ray Lewis, Ed Reed, Terrelle Suggs, and Ngata led Baltimore defenses, and beat a Seattle defense that has 3+ future HOF players in the SB.

Didnt do that great against ravens. Beat seattle with a large assist from epic chump pete carroll. You could suggest a similar situation with matt ryan. The guy snuggles to epic failure like a security blanket.


Its all secondary. Its about the player. You review the plays one by one year after year and the pattern emerges. One is elite one is hyper elite. Thats all.

But the durability piece is a wild card. If brady still performs a couple more years then you have to weigh it very heavily.

Its already the reason we are even having this discussion.

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Didnt do that great against ravens. Beat seattle with a large assist from epic chump pete carroll. You could suggest a similar situation with matt ryan. The guy snuggles to epic failure like a security blanket.


Its all secondary. Its about the player. You review the plays one by one year after year and the pattern emerges. One is elite one is hyper elite. Thats all.

But the durability piece is a wild card. If brady still performs a couple more years then you have to weigh it very heavily.

Its already the reason we are even having this discussion.

He also dropped 41 on the number 1 ranked defense in 2004. Arguing resume against Tom Brady will never be a winning argument. The man has almost everything Montana has plus 3 or 4 more examples of success.

With regards to the bolded, you can make an argument, but the vast majority of the world outside of this board would argue the inverse for Brady and Montana.

Originally posted by McClusky:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Didnt do that great against ravens. Beat seattle with a large assist from epic chump pete carroll. You could suggest a similar situation with matt ryan. The guy snuggles to epic failure like a security blanket.


Its all secondary. Its about the player. You review the plays one by one year after year and the pattern emerges. One is elite one is hyper elite. Thats all.

But the durability piece is a wild card. If brady still performs a couple more years then you have to weigh it very heavily.

Its already the reason we are even having this discussion.

He also dropped 41 on the number 1 ranked defense in 2004. Arguing resume against Tom Brady will never be a winning argument. The man has almost everything Montana has plus 3 or 4 more examples of success.

With regards to the bolded, you can make an argument, but the vast majority of the world outside of this board would argue the inverse for Brady and Montana.

Last time I checked we weren't outside the board. In terms of sheer numbers the bulk of the "vast majority" of which you speak have been watching the game for a maximum of 10 years. So obviously Brady is the guy against whom they measure. A fair chunk of this majority up to recently were saying that Wilson was the greatest.

This is a 49ers supporters board. I don't understand why several of you are finding it so difficult to understand the love and respect for Joe Montana. You aren't going to change anybody's mind and I can't even be bothered to try any more. It's a pointless argument so let's move on.

As a diehard Montana fan, Brady tops the list of greatest QB to ever lace up a pair of cleats. There simply is no argument.

That's right Montana supporters. Go to your safe space "different era" argument. It's weak. But hey, in lieu of stats what else can you use?

I think they're both the goat of their respective eras.

Now would Brady survive Montana's era when you could actually kill the quaterbacks or maul the reciever without getting flagged? I could be wrong, but I think Brady would fold knowing how he cries when he breaks a nail lol

So, yes they are both great and I don't think one should take away from the other. Just my opinion.

Originally posted by midrdan:
And I think the scandals surrounding the Patriots will forever be explained away by those that love Tom Brady and forever pointed to as an asterisk by those that favor the integrity of the game.

The scandals will be explained away because the "scandals" are asinine.

For example, Deflategate. Here is what Joe Montana said when asked about Deflategate:

"Everybody is trying to do something different. Our offensive linemen used to spray silicone on their shirts until they got caught. Once you get caught, you get caught. Period. It doesn't take anything away from Tom's game. But how long has he been doing it? I don't know.

It is one of those things that is a rule, right? It might be a dumb rule, but it doesn't matter. He didn't deflate them himself, but you can pick up the ball and can tell if it is underinflated, overinflated or what you like. Everybody is afraid to say it, but if the guy did it, so what. Just pay up and move on. It's no big deal."

Originally posted by McClusky:

He also dropped 41 on the number 1 ranked defense in 2004. Arguing resume against Tom Brady will never be a winning argument. The man has almost everything Montana has plus 3 or 4 more examples of success.

With regards to the bolded, you can make an argument, but the vast majority of the world outside of this board would argue the inverse for Brady and Montana.

I dont argue resume i argue skills assessment. Joe has a broader palette of physical tools than tom plus the joy of the game to bring his little bag of playground trick to the nfl. Brady is a little too intense to use the schoolyard.

I think its pretty obvious if you look at the players actually play. Maybe if brady didnt blow out his knee marry a supermodel and make a gizillion dollars it would be different. But it did.


Finally theres no denying that there has been an exogenous macro change in the rules that simply favors passing performance. Theyve had a huge impact statistically and there no denying that. Were pretty much back to early 60s afl wild wild west football. And joe did not have the statistical benefit of playing in this environment. Still hung 38 and 44 in super bowls. No come back needed there.


Any it turns out that i think joe probably ISNT the goat. Probably that honor goes to johnny u or baugh from what i hear. In the modern era theres only three that are in their own category roger aaron joe.

Im not going to say who is best among them but youll notice bradys name is not there.

But anothet couple years....