Joe Montana Legacy Secured

Originally posted by ninerfan4life:
Only legacy that's secured is Joe Montania

Montana's Playoff Record 16-7 .696 winning percentage
Brady's Playoff Record 25-9 .735 winning percentage.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by lod01:
Brady is still around now because the game is way different. Put him in the 90's era and he's not playing at 39. He's gone by 35 easy. He is benefitting from the pussboy era where you can't hit a QB like you could back when Montana was getting drilled. Brady is not the best QB and neither is Montana. It's Manning. Put Manning with the Niners. put Manning with Belicheck and it's no contest.

Yeah...cuz in this "p***yboy era" we see all these other QBs playing so well at 39 years old.

And bringing up Manning? Get the fuk out of here with that garbage.

Dude has 9 one and dones in the playoffs

He has more picks in the SB than TDs. Has just 1 more TD than pick 6s in the SB.

Dude is a choke artist whose win % drops like 20 points from regular season to postseason.

yup. great regular season QB, but chokes in the playoffs. still, Manning is great, just not the greatest.

and btw, there's no contest now between how big and fast our current DL / OLBs are compared to the 80s and even 90s. i'll take getting hit by some LB who's 5'11 220 lbs compared to a 6'5 260 lb guy.

Originally posted by TheHYDE49er:
yup. great regular season QB, but chokes in the playoffs. still, Manning is great, just not the greatest.

and btw, there's no contest now between how big and fast our current DL / OLBs are compared to the 80s and even 90s. i'll take getting hit by some LB who's 5'11 220 lbs compared to a 6'5 260 lb guy.

Look at the Pad difference between the era's

Originally posted by lod01:
Brady is still around now because the game is way different. Put him in the 90's era and he's not playing at 39. He's gone by 35 easy. He is benefitting from the pussboy era where you can't hit a QB like you could back when Montana was getting drilled. Brady is not the best QB and neither is Montana. It's Manning. Put Manning with the Niners. put Manning with Belicheck and it's no contest.

then why there aren't more 40 year old QBs in today's era?

brady's longevity can't be ignored. contrary to popular belief brady gets hit alot. and these players who hit brady are much much bigger and stronger than 80's players. most of them out weigh those 80's players by 40-50lb!

putt manning with belichick, belichick might quit football. part of manning's greatness is that he is an offensive coordinator playing on the field. BB is a control freak, and he won't let a QB dictate the team's offense. part of brady's greatness is that he's so coachable.

Originally posted by 9moon:
bottom line is..

asking who is better between the two is like asking everyone in the football world...

IS YOUR DAUGHTER PRETTIER THAN MY DAUGHTER??

it's alot like how many boston fans still thinks bill russell is the GOAT, better than MJ.

i understand it. Montana was the man and niners fans will never admit somebody can be better than their hero. just like how boston fans are. they also think bobby orr is better than gretsky.

well this debate will never be consensus. but if there was a national poll, i would have to say brady gets at least 80% of the vote.

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Here's an intersting article, speak of the devil.

Era adjusted passer ratings.

Check it out. All the background reading links are in the article, from Pro football reference.

Joe comes out ahead of Tom,,Aaron ahead of Joe, Roger ahead of Aaron. But none of them are number 1.

http://www.footballperspective.com/adjusting-passer-rating-for-era-part-v-the-results/

passer rating is last thing i see in QB. it just has to be good enough. just look at matt ryan in the SB. dude had almost perfect passer rating. brady posts high passer rating when he has good weapons around him. when he doesn't it goes down. so these ratings mean nothing to me. and that's why i don't go look at john elway's passer rating and say he sucked. he's a great example of why passer rating is overblown. he posted his best passer rating with a better offensive team and became much efficient when he wasn't asked to do too much.

anyway young is not better than montana. rodgers is not better than brady.

The argument of "Montana never lost a super bowl" is so overblown. What about the fact that Montana lost in earlier rounds of the playoffs???
Brady has been more successful in the postseason.

Originally posted by hondakillerzx:

Brady is the GOAT get over it. Doesnt take anything away from Joe, but you guys arguing that our guy's 4 are better than this guy's 5 (with the greatest comeback of all time) are the type of fans that make us look like stupid homers to everyone else. hard to argue when Brady has Montana beat in damn near every category

Ignorance is bliss I guess. No rational person would say 5-2 is better than 4-0 with all the mistakes Brady has made in his sbs as well as barely being even close to dominant in any of his Super Bowl games. They have all been nailbiter's and Montana absolutely destroyed other teams. The first to Cincinnati game was a blowout at half time and the second one we moved the ball with ease we just fumbled three times and they had a special teams kick return? Too easy to make an argument. Done.

You guys do realize that Brady played against a bad defense and barely won yet again? He also threw an interception for a touchdown. Yeah he's the greatest of all time all right. I would take Brady or Elway as second best all time

Originally posted by jcs:
Montana's Playoff Record 16-7 .696 winning percentage
Brady's Playoff Record 25-9 .735 winning percentage.

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Originally posted by elguapo:
Ignorance is bliss I guess. No rational person would say 5-2 is better than 4-0 with all the mistakes Brady has made in his sbs as well as barely being even close to dominant in any of his Super Bowl games. They have all been nailbiter's and Montana absolutely destroyed other teams. The first to Cincinnati game was a blowout at half time and the second one we moved the ball with ease we just fumbled three times and they had a special teams kick return? Too easy to make an argument. Done.

You guys do realize that Brady played against a bad defense and barely won yet again? He also threw an interception for a touchdown. Yeah he's the greatest of all time all right. I would take Brady or Elway as second best all time

He was great in Superbowls but lets not assume Joe was infallible. Playoff records are just as important in this conversation as regular season record and stats.

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by jcs:

Montana's Playoff Record 16-7 .696 winning percentage
Brady's Playoff Record 25-9 .735 winning percentage.

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Originally posted by elguapo:

Ignorance is bliss I guess. No rational person would say 5-2 is better than 4-0 with all the mistakes Brady has made in his sbs as well as barely being even close to dominant in any of his Super Bowl games. They have all been nailbiter's and Montana absolutely destroyed other teams. The first to Cincinnati game was a blowout at half time and the second one we moved the ball with ease we just fumbled three times and they had a special teams kick return? Too easy to make an argument. Done.

You guys do realize that Brady played against a bad defense and barely won yet again? He also threw an interception for a touchdown. Yeah he's the greatest of all time all right. I would take Brady or Elway as second best all time

He was great in Superbowls but lets not assume Joe was infallible. Playoff records are just as important in this conversation as regular season record and stats.

Those are team records.

This is how well Montana played...

It took brady what.. 34 playoff games to tie Montana's 9 playoff games of 3+ TDs

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by jcs:
Montana's Playoff Record 16-7 .696 winning percentage
Brady's Playoff Record 25-9 .735 winning percentage.

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Originally posted by elguapo:
Ignorance is bliss I guess. No rational person would say 5-2 is better than 4-0 with all the mistakes Brady has made in his sbs as well as barely being even close to dominant in any of his Super Bowl games. They have all been nailbiter's and Montana absolutely destroyed other teams. The first to Cincinnati game was a blowout at half time and the second one we moved the ball with ease we just fumbled three times and they had a special teams kick return? Too easy to make an argument. Done.

You guys do realize that Brady played against a bad defense and barely won yet again? He also threw an interception for a touchdown. Yeah he's the greatest of all time all right. I would take Brady or Elway as second best all time

He was great in Superbowls but lets not assume Joe was infallible. Playoff records are just as important in this conversation as regular season record and stats.

Those are team records.

This is how well Montana played...

It took brady what.. 34 playoff games to tie Montana's 9 playoff games of 3+ TDs

Team records and yet the knock on Brady is that he's 5-2 vs 4-0

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by jcs:

Montana's Playoff Record 16-7 .696 winning percentage
Brady's Playoff Record 25-9 .735 winning percentage.

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Originally posted by elguapo:

Ignorance is bliss I guess. No rational person would say 5-2 is better than 4-0 with all the mistakes Brady has made in his sbs as well as barely being even close to dominant in any of his Super Bowl games. They have all been nailbiter's and Montana absolutely destroyed other teams. The first to Cincinnati game was a blowout at half time and the second one we moved the ball with ease we just fumbled three times and they had a special teams kick return? Too easy to make an argument. Done.

You guys do realize that Brady played against a bad defense and barely won yet again? He also threw an interception for a touchdown. Yeah he's the greatest of all time all right. I would take Brady or Elway as second best all time

He was great in Superbowls but lets not assume Joe was infallible. Playoff records are just as important in this conversation as regular season record and stats.

Those are team records.

This is how well Montana played...

It took brady what.. 34 playoff games to tie Montana's 9 playoff games of 3+ TDs

Team records and yet the knock on Brady is that he's 5-2 vs 4-0

The knock is qb play, we can easily take away two wins and give it to vinatari

Brady's the GOAT...but I bet he doesn't make it to 16 season's without his generation's QB friendly rules.

In a court of law I bet you could prove Joe is the GOAT. Just hypothetical of course.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by jcs:

Montana's Playoff Record 16-7 .696 winning percentage
Brady's Playoff Record 25-9 .735 winning percentage.

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Originally posted by elguapo:

Ignorance is bliss I guess. No rational person would say 5-2 is better than 4-0 with all the mistakes Brady has made in his sbs as well as barely being even close to dominant in any of his Super Bowl games. They have all been nailbiter's and Montana absolutely destroyed other teams. The first to Cincinnati game was a blowout at half time and the second one we moved the ball with ease we just fumbled three times and they had a special teams kick return? Too easy to make an argument. Done.

You guys do realize that Brady played against a bad defense and barely won yet again? He also threw an interception for a touchdown. Yeah he's the greatest of all time all right. I would take Brady or Elway as second best all time

He was great in Superbowls but lets not assume Joe was infallible. Playoff records are just as important in this conversation as regular season record and stats.

Those are team records.

This is how well Montana played...

It took brady what.. 34 playoff games to tie Montana's 9 playoff games of 3+ TDs

As reality sets in. This is a huge stat. Might as well throw in the interceptions as well in the Super Bowl's, because that is when clutch play is needed most