Joe Montana Legacy Secured

Originally posted by robniner:

We're still beating this subject like a dead horse?

I'm ready to move on.

Montana was the GOAT during that time

Brady is the GOAT for this era.

The case is CLOSED.

Might as well throw Aikman, Favre and Manning in this mix.

Aikman? Don't make me vomit! No no no! Lol. Yeah i agree, move on. But we probably won't.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

The knock is qb play, we can easily take away two wins and give it to vinatari

I must of missed those 90 yard kicks he made. Like Brady and NE didn't have the score already tied and drove them down the field for the game winning fg. It also ignores the last 2 SB's where he put 5 TD's total in the 4th/ ot to win em.

I think Joe is still the better qb because he was more dominant in a shorter time span but I think people shots against Brady are typically lame too.

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
The knock is qb play, we can easily take away two wins and give it to vinatari

I must of missed those 90 yard kicks he made. Like Brady and NE didn't have the score already tied and drove them down the field for the game winning fg. It also ignores the last 2 SB's where he put 5 TD's total in the 4th/ ot to win em.

I think Joe is still the better qb because he was more dominant in a shorter time span but I think people shots against Brady are typically lame too.

Emitt Smith is NFL all time leader in rushing yards. But he's not considered to be the best Back

Brady is the same, he just lasted longer then Joe

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
The knock is qb play, we can easily take away two wins and give it to vinatari

I must of missed those 90 yard kicks he made. Like Brady and NE didn't have the score already tied and drove them down the field for the game winning fg. It also ignores the last 2 SB's where he put 5 TD's total in the 4th/ ot to win em.

I think Joe is still the better qb because he was more dominant in a shorter time span but I think people shots against Brady are typically lame too.

Emitt Smith is NFL all time leader in rushing yards. But he's not considered to be the best Back

Brady is the same, he just lasted longer then Joe

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2017/02/05/jim-brown-patriots-bill-belichick-tom-brady-best-ever/97537272/

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/02/04/many-great-players-are-calling-tom-brady-the-best-ever/

Originally posted by PA49ersfan:

Originally posted by Young2005:

Originally posted by tjd808185:

It takes an entire team to dominate and the league is just not build for that nowadays. You give Joe a bunch of little white receivers and make him throw 50-60 times a game I'd like to see how many rings he racks up. The nature of the win is irrelevant it's how many rings you win and it's 5-4 now. But it's fair to point out Brady did it in a much longer time span.

Let's keep things in perspective, if the Atlanta Falcons didn't produce the biggest CHOKE in Super Bowl history then we wouldn't be talking about Tom Brady getting his 5th ring. If it was any other QB or team besides Brady and the Patriots that came back would there be this much coverage on it, I don't think so. Montana and Brady played in two completely different eras of the NFL so to say one is greater than the other will always be debatable, but Brady will always have the label of a cheater that will follow him. Montana was the master of the final 2 minute drill and always looked cool when he was running it. Is Brady the best of his era, hell ya but as for the greatest of all-time, nope!

Well said. I agree.

Top 3 biggest SB chokes: Bills, Falcons, Seahawks. Guess who benefited from the last 2

Originally posted by crabman82:

Kind on contradict yourself with the 5-2 vs 4-0 thing by stating Elway is your 2nd or 3rd even tho he is only 2-3 and been blown out 3 times and didn't win one until he had an elite run game. If we use your logic that Montana is #1 because of 4-0, then there is zero chance Elway is 2 or 3 given the criteria you've based it around.

Elway sb stats

Vs giants: 22-37 304 yrds 1td 1int
Vs redskins: 14-38 257 yrds 1td 3int
Vs 49ers: 10-26 108 yrds 0td 2int
Vs gb: 12-22 123 yrds 0td 1int
Vs atl: 18-29 336 yrds 1td 1int

2nd or 3rd best all time?

Nope I did not contradict myself at all. I just prefer Elway or Brady as a number two option far behind Montana. Elway did not win a Super Bowl until Terrel Davis was there so he did have his limitations and in my opinion threw too many interceptions. Brady has thrown interceptions at the biggest moments as well. I hope you realize he should've thrown another game ceiling interception but it went off The defenders hands and write off his leg for that crazy catch.

In my opinion there is a huge gap after Montana I'm just figuring who I would have as a number two and it would probably be Elway Brady or possibly Marino. My main point which you magically avoided was Montana is as close to perfect as a quarterback can get in the Super Bowl's. Brady is not at all. He has squeaked by every single game. How is this even an argument.End of story. Done

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:

Loser? Waste? Hardly. John Elway was a great QB that took average teams to the SB . Yes, they lost 3 games but they were to superior teams in an era where the NFC was completely dominant. It wasnt his fault that the defense on those Denver teams got thrashed. Perhaps this will remind you...

SB 21 NYG has beaten the Niners 49-3 and Washington 17-0. Yes.. 3 points in 2 games. That defense was incredible and Montana's stats in that game were 8-15 with 0 tds and 2 interceptions. In the SB Phil Simms was 22-25 . Just a dominant team and nothing Elway was going to do to get a win.

SB 22 Washingtons offense totaled over 600 yards against the overmatched Denver D and scored 35 in the 2nd quarter. This game was simply a case of Denvers defense being whipping boys for the Skins. Again, nothing Elway was going to do to win this game.

SB 24 Niners,.. need I say more? This was probably the greatest 49ers team ever and Elway could have been Marino, Brady, Montana. and Staubach all wrapped into one and Denver still would have had no chance.

This is why calling a QB a loser because of the SB record is dumb. It is a team game and Denver was completely overmatched in all 3 of these SBs. He wasnt better when they won 2 in a row. It was simply a case of the Broncos now having a better defense, a better running game, and being able to really have a chance to win.

Tell crab82 that. He is laughable and his arguments are a joke. Elway was a great quarterback I just really don't have a solid number two after Montana. That is the drop off. Hell maybe Johnny Unitas should be the second best quarterback of all time. That's the point. After Montana there is a huge gap. Kind of like Michael Jordan.

Hell I guess emmitt was The best running back ever because the stats suggest that right? Even though he had the best line and whoops Payton Brown and Sanders were better. Oh well I guess we'll just go by stats. Too easy to make this argument against Brady. Brady is my favorite quarterback right now and has been my favorite since Steve Young retired. I just know that Brady can't touch Montana simple. Brady LOST 2 super bowls and the tuck rule as well as some epic let downs as well as videotaping and cheating gave him a few more. He never came close to dominating any Super Bowl and he's always had a pretty great defense to help him out. The year he had the best receivers with moss gronk and welker he couldn't get it done.

What more do people need?

Greatest player of all time is Jerry Rice though.

Originally posted by gold49digger:
Greatest player of all time is Jerry Rice though.

This for now...

Originally posted by gold49digger:
Greatest player of all time is Jerry Rice though.

i seen what you did there

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by gold49digger:

Greatest player of all time is Jerry Rice though.

This for now...

I agree

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Emitt Smith is NFL all time leader in rushing yards. But he's not considered to be the best Back

Brady is the same, he just lasted longer then Joe

only some of the niners fans don't admit brady is the GOAT. brady has been crowned by the majority of the media and the fans. just look around.

Originally posted by natediaz:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Emitt Smith is NFL all time leader in rushing yards. But he's not considered to be the best Back

Brady is the same, he just lasted longer then Joe

only some of the niners fans don't admit brady is the GOAT. brady has been crowned by the majority of the media and the fans. just look around.

And the media wouldn't let TO into the HOF. Fans who think Brady is the GOAT are just blind and incorrigible and can't admit it that Joe is the best of all time. If I'm picking a QB in his prime to lead my team to victory over the best in the universe I'm picking Joe Cool. That's a fact Seattle Jack.

Originally posted by gold49digger:
Greatest player of all time is Jerry Rice though.

he is the greatest WR of all time. but IMO WR cant be the greatest player. I just don't believe in that. IMO QBs are far more important than WRs. WR isn't as important as QBs are. no teams build the team around the WR. if they do they are in a trouble.

i always believed Montana is better than Rice. and if there's 49ers all time draft, IMO Montana gets picked #1 easily.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by jcs:
Montana's Playoff Record 16-7 .696 winning percentage
Brady's Playoff Record 25-9 .735 winning percentage.

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Originally posted by elguapo:
Ignorance is bliss I guess. No rational person would say 5-2 is better than 4-0 with all the mistakes Brady has made in his sbs as well as barely being even close to dominant in any of his Super Bowl games. They have all been nailbiter's and Montana absolutely destroyed other teams. The first to Cincinnati game was a blowout at half time and the second one we moved the ball with ease we just fumbled three times and they had a special teams kick return? Too easy to make an argument. Done.

You guys do realize that Brady played against a bad defense and barely won yet again? He also threw an interception for a touchdown. Yeah he's the greatest of all time all right. I would take Brady or Elway as second best all time

He was great in Superbowls but lets not assume Joe was infallible. Playoff records are just as important in this conversation as regular season record and stats.

Those are team records.

This is how well Montana played...

It took brady what.. 34 playoff games to tie Montana's 9 playoff games of 3+ TDs

it really isn't wise to compare stats because brady has montana beat easily. brady will double up in almost all montana's records by the time he retires.