Minnesota Vikings, week 1 coaches film analysis

Originally posted by 9moon:

BIG TEST THIS SUNDAY... we should be able to tell if Monday's game was just ALL hpye OR THE FUTURE!!

I don't agree with this at all. Regardless of the outcome on Sunday, there was nothing "hype" about monday nights performance. That sort of domination of an opponent doesn't just happen by fluke or luck.

Honestly, I think there is a very good chance to take a step back on Sunday given the scheduling issues and playing a pretty good team that got beat in their first game. Obviously, Im rooting like crazy that it doesn't happen, but I've seen title worthy teams of ours get smoked in similar circumstances in the past.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by thl408:
I think having Bow as a decoy blitzer can really mess with pass protection because he's such a dangerous blitzer. If he crowds the LoS the offense will think he's coming. What's funny is that when Bow blitzes, he rarely is up at the LoS. He will almost always get that running start from normal LB depth.

Love Bowman blitzing and/or being a decoy, letting a DB through the gap! I can see Tartt and Bowman working together on these blitzes all year!

Center totally underestimated Tartt's speed

AP looked like a matador when trying to block Reid. He didn't even slow him down.

4Q 3rd & 1
The play before Hyde's TD run.

Spider 2Y Banana. I know Dilfer said it was "Spider 2Y Snag", but this is Spider 2Y Banana. Banana because of orange's route looks like a banana - no joke. It's a Low-High read off playaction. The variation is that Patton, the Z WR is running a clearing route (purple) that goes across the formation instead of upfield.


After executing playaction, Hyde blocks the nearest threat drawn in due to the playaction. Boldin, lined up as a fullback, runs a quick flat route. The bunching of the formation causes the CBs to give some cushion and that's all the separation needed to get the first down. Kap is targeting Boldin in the flat.


+9 yards

lol our offense was a real oddity in Week 1

Nearly 50% of snaps came from 13 personnel (1 RB, 3 TE). Paired up with our high-tempo offense, we ran 73 plays and repeatedly bashed the Vikings' faces in. Minnesota's defense was done by the end of the 1st drive. Totally caught off guard.

Don't know if this approach is sustainable for 16 games, but that was pretty cool to watch. Much like Mangini's gameplans are opponent specific and will adapt if he needs to, I think the offense will take a similar opponent-specific approach. Do whatever needs to be done to best matchup with the opponent, but always stay committed to running the football.

Originally posted by thl408:

Kap puts nice touch on this pass to VD. +19 yards, setting up 3rd & 1.

Nice pass pro by the RB on this play too ... is that Hayne?

That's it for the 49er's passing attack. There were two more dropbacks for Kap in this game. A throw away to Torrey where Kap was pressured, and a RB swing screen to Hyde with one blocker out in front (Pears). This breakdown was to see what concepts were shown and this is the list I saw, but not limited to:

- Various Floods (three level high-low read)
- All Curls
- Shallow Cross
- Levels
- 4 Verticals
- Curl-Flat
- Follow
- Trail
- Slant-Flat

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by SunDevilNiner79:

Originally posted by jonnydel:
So, I mentioned it in the OP, but here's an example of how TS was demanding attention from the safeties. This was a run play on our 1st TD drive, Hyde nearly breaks this out for a huge gain.


This is right at the snap of the ball, you see how far wide the safety has shifted. The ball is on the near hash and he's on the far hash, because Torrey Smith is split out wide. This, effectively, pulls that safety out of any chance of impacting this running play. Just a stretch run off tackle. PS, we pretty much run this exact same play for the 2nd TD but with VD and Boldin split out wide.

Sorry but I don't agree with your assessment that the Safety's position is due to Torrey Smith (as opposed to another WR).

The safety is lined up more to the right because of the 49ers alignment stacking 2 WRs on that side.

Having that safety move over more to the mid doesn't make that since with 8 already in the box. To put him more in the middle, the Vikings would be gambling big time that its a run and Kap won't change the play since that would leave the 2 CBs on an island against the 2 WRs

The play is made because of Staley's block and Hyde's cut back

to respectfully disagree, you still have 3 eligible receivers to that side - with us already showing deep routes off our TE's early, if it was simply because of strength of formation, he should be, at least, inside the tackle, not 3 yards outside. The only reason for a safety to be that far outside is to provide deep outside help to a premier threat.

I'm not saying the play was made solely because of TS, more, that, if Hyde doesn't get tackled by his feet, he's gone, because the safety was so far wide. We ran formations like this last year, but didn't get near that kind of safety slide - we sorta had it when Randy Moss was here, but still, not to that degree.

Gentlemen. There is only one way to handle this minor disagreement; tie eachothers right hand together and knife fight to the death with your left. Its the only logical option.

Originally posted by thl408:

4Q 3rd & 1
The play before Hyde's TD run.

Spider 2Y Banana. I know Dilfer said it was "Spider 2Y Snag", but this is Spider 2Y Banana. Banana because of orange's route looks like a banana - no joke. It's a Low-High read off playaction. The variation is that Patton, the Z WR is running a clearing route (purple) that goes across the formation instead of upfield.


After executing playaction, Hyde blocks the nearest threat drawn in due to the playaction. Boldin, lined up as a fullback, runs a quick flat route. The bunching of the formation causes the CBs to give some cushion and that's all the separation needed to get the first down. Kap is targeting Boldin in the flat.


+9 yards

This was my favorite play of the night. Absolutely loved getting our best pass catcher in a position that's open 90% of the time.

Here are some Y banana plays from Paul Hackett:




I like how the banana is to convert into more of an out vs man coverage.

Originally posted by SofaKing:

lol our offense was a real oddity in Week 1

Nearly 50% of snaps came from 13 personnel (1 RB, 3 TE). Paired up with our high-tempo offense, we ran 73 plays and repeatedly bashed the Vikings' faces in. Minnesota's defense was done by the end of the 1st drive. Totally caught off guard.

Don't know if this approach is sustainable for 16 games, but that was pretty cool to watch. Much like Mangini's gameplans are opponent specific and will adapt if he needs to, I think the offense will take a similar opponent-specific approach. Do whatever needs to be done to best matchup with the opponent, but always stay committed to running the football.

Another thing is we were in gun or pistol 90% of the snaps. That's the highest percentage of gun/pistol snaps we've used, even going back to the late 2012 run.

Originally posted by Niners816:
Another thing is we were in gun or pistol 90% of the snaps. That's the highest percentage of gun/pistol snaps we've used, even going back to the late 2012 run.

Very cool. Big fan of the gun/pistol for Kap, and the play-action off the stretch zone is perfect for him. Really liked the gameplan and I hope we see continued success with this approach.

Originally posted by SofaKing:

Originally posted by Niners816:

Another thing is we were in gun or pistol 90% of the snaps. That's the highest percentage of gun/pistol snaps we've used, even going back to the late 2012 run.

Very cool. Big fan of the gun/pistol for Kap, and the play-action off the stretch zone is perfect for him. Really liked the gameplan and I hope we see continued success with this approach.

Thl and I were talking and he brought up a very good point.....it might also be because that's all that Hyde ran at OSU as well. So he has an extreme comfort level in the pistol and seeing the run reads. Kinda kills 2 birds with one stone.

Originally posted by SoCold:

Originally posted by Sims84:

Originally posted by davide49:

Originally posted by thl408:
2nd & 13
This is still the first drive of the game. Another three level, High-Low read. This is a zone busting concept, but the yellow Corner route can win versus man coverage.
Versus Cover1


Incomplete to VD, the intermediate route. The defender on VD has outside leverage and defeats VD's Corner route, making it a very tough throw. The point of this play is more high-low, flooding of one side of the field.

Rb in the flat, 4th read I guess, is open. Pass rush coming from LDE though, appears to hurry decision.

I suspect we start targeting those this week?

Great work guys.

Hindsight 20/20 but that's a TD if Kap steps up to his right and takes off with the RB as his lead block on the one defender in coverage but I too think the LDE rushed his decision. Overall I think he played well and the things he worked on this offseason were certainly on display at times

If that is Tom Brady he would know within 1.5 sec that play wasn't going to work to the left and know he's got the dump off to the right.

It's the difference between the Best QB in the game and a QB who's still learning.

Kap is forcing this play and not taking what the D gives him.

If you read the posts above you'd know that his first 3 reads were to the left. In order to switch to his 4th he'd have just enough time to get sacked.

Brady throws this away as well.

Originally posted by JDMathews49ers:
Quick observation. No matter what, some of you guys will find a way to criticize Kap on every play. "Brady would know in 1.5 seconds that it's not open to the left and hit the RB to the right." "If he takes off to the right and let the RB be the lead blocker it's a TD." For heavens sake, Kap can't win on the webzone. We're about 4 or 5 plays into this thread and folks are harking on "what ifs" already. Some of you guys will find a way to take the joy out of johnnydel's and thl408's hard work.

THIS.

Originally posted by SoCold:

Originally posted by MikeD:

Originally posted by SoCold:
People sure like throwing the word hate around. How many people have said they hate Kap?

No one has heard of constructive criticism? If everyone is as great as they could be why even practice to try and get better?

I've heard it plenty of times, maybe not on this board, but there are fans that don't like him

oh ok. sounded like you assumed we hated him just because we pointed out something he could have done different to help the team.

No, we're just annoyed because you're totally wrong and your slant appears to be based on a bias against him.

Originally posted by SofaKing:

Originally posted by Niners816:
Another thing is we were in gun or pistol 90% of the snaps. That's the highest percentage of gun/pistol snaps we've used, even going back to the late 2012 run.

Very cool. Big fan of the gun/pistol for Kap, and the play-action off the stretch zone is perfect for him. Really liked the gameplan and I hope we see continued success with this approach.

Kap and Hyde were both forged in that formation. Also, I think Kap is going to rack up the running yardage this year. I am thinking that 700-800 yds is attainable?