Minnesota Vikings, week 1 coaches film analysis

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Inexcusable is pretty harsh, it happens to the best of them

It's harsh but kap has missed those easy ones right in front of him before. That's why I was harsh. And even dilfer was. Not that I like dilfer or anything

His point is valid. We've lost a few close games over the years. The easy throws need to be routine, points won't always be easy. I think Kap played a solid game from start to finish. But one or two plays can change the whole outcome. We all remember the FG bonanza because we could never punch it in...we can't do that and expect to win.

Originally posted by SofaKing:
lol our offense was a real oddity in Week 1

Nearly 50% of snaps came from 13 personnel (1 RB, 3 TE). Paired up with our high-tempo offense, we ran 73 plays and repeatedly bashed the Vikings' faces in. Minnesota's defense was done by the end of the 1st drive. Totally caught off guard.

Don't know if this approach is sustainable for 16 games, but that was pretty cool to watch. Much like Mangini's gameplans are opponent specific and will adapt if he needs to, I think the offense will take a similar opponent-specific approach. Do whatever needs to be done to best matchup with the opponent, but always stay committed to running the football.

Was this (bolded) an officially recorded (official stat)?

Whether the 49er gameplan for MIN was opponent specific will be very interesting to see. Under Harbaugh, it felt like it was opponent specific and that may have worked against them. I know MIN was a better pass defense than run defense in 2014, so seeing them get gashed on the ground is more of the same.

PIT was 27th (bad) versus the pass and 6th best versus the run. If Geep's gameplans, in terms of run/pass ratio is opponent specific, we may see it next week.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by SofaKing:
lol our offense was a real oddity in Week 1

Nearly 50% of snaps came from 13 personnel (1 RB, 3 TE). Paired up with our high-tempo offense, we ran 73 plays and repeatedly bashed the Vikings' faces in. Minnesota's defense was done by the end of the 1st drive. Totally caught off guard.

Don't know if this approach is sustainable for 16 games, but that was pretty cool to watch. Much like Mangini's gameplans are opponent specific and will adapt if he needs to, I think the offense will take a similar opponent-specific approach. Do whatever needs to be done to best matchup with the opponent, but always stay committed to running the football.

Was this (bolded) an officially recorded (official stat)?

Whether the 49er gameplan for MIN was opponent specific will be very interesting to see. Under Harbaugh, it felt like it was opponent specific and that may have worked against them. I know MIN was a better pass defense than run defense in 2014, so seeing them get gashed on the ground is more of the same.

PIT was 27th (bad) versus the pass and 6th best versus the run. If Geep's gameplans, in terms of run/pass ratio is opponent specific, we may see it next week.

Nope, not an "official" stat and a tad exaggerated.

I was listening to Greg Cosell on KNBR, and he said we ran 28 plays from 13 personnel. We ran 73 plays totals, so 38% of plays were from 13 personnel, which is a ton.

I'm not so sure if Geep is going to adjust run/pass ratio for a specific opponent. That might happen during the flow of the game, but you get a strong feeling when listening to the coaching staff that they want to be committed to running the ball. We're definitely going to try and establish the run against Pittsburgh, just add a few wrinkles to combat some of Pitt's tendencies and make plays in the passing game. Their secondary is a weak spot.

There's been some discussion about whether Bridgewater missed out on a possible TD pass near the end of the 1st quarter.

1Q 3rd & 8
3 Verticals versus Cover 3
49ers show Cover 0 (no safety), but at the snap, Reid will quickly drop to his spot as middle deep safety. The only routes are the three WRs. Both wide outs run a hitch and go. The slot WR runs a Go.


Bridgewater will take the snap and first look to his right. Brock does not fall for the hitch and Go double move and Bridgewater quickly moves off that read to look towards the slot. This is the frame where Bridgewater first looks to the slot. Notice how AP's legs are positioned. I am using that to determine the same moment in time in the all22 view.


Same moment in time as the pic above. Reid, dropping to his landmark has yet to flip his hips and won't be changing direction until he hits the red star.


Bridgewater has now missed his window to target the slot WR as Reid has now flipped his hips and will be closing the gap.


Not sure why Bridgewater didn't pull the trigger.

Originally posted by SofaKing:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by SofaKing:
lol our offense was a real oddity in Week 1

Nearly 50% of snaps came from 13 personnel (1 RB, 3 TE). Paired up with our high-tempo offense, we ran 73 plays and repeatedly bashed the Vikings' faces in. Minnesota's defense was done by the end of the 1st drive. Totally caught off guard.

Don't know if this approach is sustainable for 16 games, but that was pretty cool to watch. Much like Mangini's gameplans are opponent specific and will adapt if he needs to, I think the offense will take a similar opponent-specific approach. Do whatever needs to be done to best matchup with the opponent, but always stay committed to running the football.

Was this (bolded) an officially recorded (official stat)?

Whether the 49er gameplan for MIN was opponent specific will be very interesting to see. Under Harbaugh, it felt like it was opponent specific and that may have worked against them. I know MIN was a better pass defense than run defense in 2014, so seeing them get gashed on the ground is more of the same.

PIT was 27th (bad) versus the pass and 6th best versus the run. If Geep's gameplans, in terms of run/pass ratio is opponent specific, we may see it next week.

Nope, not an "official" stat and a tad exaggerated.

I was listening to Greg Cosell on KNBR, and he said we ran 28 plays from 13 personnel. We ran 73 plays totals, so 38% of plays were from 13 personnel, which is a ton.

I'm not so sure if Geep is going to adjust run/pass ratio for a specific opponent. That might happen during the flow of the game, but you get a strong feeling when listening to the coaching staff that they want to be committed to running the ball. We're definitely going to try and establish the run against Pittsburgh, just add a few wrinkles to combat some of Pitt's tendencies and make plays in the passing game. Their secondary is a weak spot.

Gotcha. Agreed 38% is a lot and is definitely something the 49ers used to catch MIN off guard. No wonder the they had 8 TEs in camp. PIT's secondary was puzzling in game 1. We all saw it. They just left Gronk running around undefended. Huge missed assignments.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by SofaKing:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by SofaKing:

lol our offense was a real oddity in Week 1

Nearly 50% of snaps came from 13 personnel (1 RB, 3 TE). Paired up with our high-tempo offense, we ran 73 plays and repeatedly bashed the Vikings' faces in. Minnesota's defense was done by the end of the 1st drive. Totally caught off guard.

Don't know if this approach is sustainable for 16 games, but that was pretty cool to watch. Much like Mangini's gameplans are opponent specific and will adapt if he needs to, I think the offense will take a similar opponent-specific approach. Do whatever needs to be done to best matchup with the opponent, but always stay committed to running the football.

Was this (bolded) an officially recorded (official stat)?

Whether the 49er gameplan for MIN was opponent specific will be very interesting to see. Under Harbaugh, it felt like it was opponent specific and that may have worked against them. I know MIN was a better pass defense than run defense in 2014, so seeing them get gashed on the ground is more of the same.

PIT was 27th (bad) versus the pass and 6th best versus the run. If Geep's gameplans, in terms of run/pass ratio is opponent specific, we may see it next week.

Nope, not an "official" stat and a tad exaggerated.

I was listening to Greg Cosell on KNBR, and he said we ran 28 plays from 13 personnel. We ran 73 plays totals, so 38% of plays were from 13 personnel, which is a ton.

I'm not so sure if Geep is going to adjust run/pass ratio for a specific opponent. That might happen during the flow of the game, but you get a strong feeling when listening to the coaching staff that they want to be committed to running the ball. We're definitely going to try and establish the run against Pittsburgh, just add a few wrinkles to combat some of Pitt's tendencies and make plays in the passing game. Their secondary is a weak spot.

Gotcha. Agreed 38% is a lot and is definitely something the 49ers used to catch MIN off guard. No wonder the they had 8 TEs in camp. PIT's secondary was puzzling in game 1. We all saw it. They just left Gronk running around undefended. Huge missed assignments.

It's the dichotomy of our new offense.....near 40% 13 personnel, but doing it to the tune of gun and pistol sets almost 90% of the time. Couple that with tried and true WCO concepts and you have the makings of a nice little QB friendly offense. This could be really, really nice.

This is the second play from scrimmage.

Outside Zone left
This play just further shows how badass Hyde was this night. Totally missed this when watching it live. The key block to watch is the combo block by Celek (#88, red) and Staley (orange) on the DE.


Combo block. Who will move to the second level?


Both of them leave the block to move to the second level. The DE is like, "where they go?"


That DE is too slow. Also, can't tackle Hyde up high like that.


Throw in a spin move on the CB. +8 yards

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by SofaKing:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by SofaKing:

lol our offense was a real oddity in Week 1

Nearly 50% of snaps came from 13 personnel (1 RB, 3 TE). Paired up with our high-tempo offense, we ran 73 plays and repeatedly bashed the Vikings' faces in. Minnesota's defense was done by the end of the 1st drive. Totally caught off guard.

Don't know if this approach is sustainable for 16 games, but that was pretty cool to watch. Much like Mangini's gameplans are opponent specific and will adapt if he needs to, I think the offense will take a similar opponent-specific approach. Do whatever needs to be done to best matchup with the opponent, but always stay committed to running the football.

Was this (bolded) an officially recorded (official stat)?

Whether the 49er gameplan for MIN was opponent specific will be very interesting to see. Under Harbaugh, it felt like it was opponent specific and that may have worked against them. I know MIN was a better pass defense than run defense in 2014, so seeing them get gashed on the ground is more of the same.

PIT was 27th (bad) versus the pass and 6th best versus the run. If Geep's gameplans, in terms of run/pass ratio is opponent specific, we may see it next week.

Nope, not an "official" stat and a tad exaggerated.

I was listening to Greg Cosell on KNBR, and he said we ran 28 plays from 13 personnel. We ran 73 plays totals, so 38% of plays were from 13 personnel, which is a ton.

I'm not so sure if Geep is going to adjust run/pass ratio for a specific opponent. That might happen during the flow of the game, but you get a strong feeling when listening to the coaching staff that they want to be committed to running the ball. We're definitely going to try and establish the run against Pittsburgh, just add a few wrinkles to combat some of Pitt's tendencies and make plays in the passing game. Their secondary is a weak spot.

Gotcha. Agreed 38% is a lot and is definitely something the 49ers used to catch MIN off guard. No wonder the they had 8 TEs in camp. PIT's secondary was puzzling in game 1. We all saw it. They just left Gronk running around undefended. Huge missed assignments.

I'm loving the 13 personnel because we WANT teams to come up. After seeing how fast McDonald is, that gives us Vernon and Torrey as deep threats with McDonakd as a threat along with Celeck and our soft-handed RBs for the underneath security.

Gotta love coaches eho put their players in good positions to succeed.

It takes good personnel to be so versatile. When you have a TE with WR speed, who can also block like a LT...USE HIM! I even liked Hayne in the last game...he can be scary as a receiver out of the backfield. Davis wasn't even active...and he may be the second best all around RB on the team! Scarey times two! Torey Smith hasn't been a factor yet! When he starts getting some catches...scarey times three!

One thing we haven't seen with Kaepernick...or at least enough...vertical seam passes hitting the receiver in stride for easy scores. Have teams taken these away? Or will that be next? I'm hoping to see some of that this coming week!

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by SofaKing:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by SofaKing:
lol our offense was a real oddity in Week 1

Nearly 50% of snaps came from 13 personnel (1 RB, 3 TE). Paired up with our high-tempo offense, we ran 73 plays and repeatedly bashed the Vikings' faces in. Minnesota's defense was done by the end of the 1st drive. Totally caught off guard.

Don't know if this approach is sustainable for 16 games, but that was pretty cool to watch. Much like Mangini's gameplans are opponent specific and will adapt if he needs to, I think the offense will take a similar opponent-specific approach. Do whatever needs to be done to best matchup with the opponent, but always stay committed to running the football.

Was this (bolded) an officially recorded (official stat)?

Whether the 49er gameplan for MIN was opponent specific will be very interesting to see. Under Harbaugh, it felt like it was opponent specific and that may have worked against them. I know MIN was a better pass defense than run defense in 2014, so seeing them get gashed on the ground is more of the same.

PIT was 27th (bad) versus the pass and 6th best versus the run. If Geep's gameplans, in terms of run/pass ratio is opponent specific, we may see it next week.

Nope, not an "official" stat and a tad exaggerated.

I was listening to Greg Cosell on KNBR, and he said we ran 28 plays from 13 personnel. We ran 73 plays totals, so 38% of plays were from 13 personnel, which is a ton.

I'm not so sure if Geep is going to adjust run/pass ratio for a specific opponent. That might happen during the flow of the game, but you get a strong feeling when listening to the coaching staff that they want to be committed to running the ball. We're definitely going to try and establish the run against Pittsburgh, just add a few wrinkles to combat some of Pitt's tendencies and make plays in the passing game. Their secondary is a weak spot.

Gotcha. Agreed 38% is a lot and is definitely something the 49ers used to catch MIN off guard. No wonder the they had 8 TEs in camp. PIT's secondary was puzzling in game 1. We all saw it. They just left Gronk running around undefended. Huge missed assignments.

I'm loving the 13 personnel because we WANT teams to come up. After seeing how fast McDonald is, that gives us Vernon and Torrey as deep threats with McDonakd as a threat along with Celeck and our soft-handed RBs for the underneath security.

Gotta love coaches eho put their players in good positions to succeed.

I'm waiting to see what happens if a defense subs out a CB and puts in a safety to combat 13 personnel if the 49ers ground game starts to gain momentum. Since there's only 1 WR, why have 2 CBs on the field? At that point, those TEs have to prove to be good targets in the passing game. The 49ers ran 4 verticals out of 13 personnel in the game. That's a little mad scientist-ish.

Originally posted by thl408:

I'm waiting to see what happens if a defense subs out a CB and puts in a safety to combat 13 personnel if the 49ers ground game starts to gain momentum. Since there's only 1 WR, why have 2 CBs on the field? At that point, those TEs have to prove to be good targets in the passing game. The 49ers ran 4 verticals out of 13 personnel in the game. That's a little mad scientist-ish.

I know with the s**tty numbers on the Alts it's hard to tell, but did we favor one WR over the other in our 13 personnel. IMO, Torrey with his speed makes a whole lot of sense as the lone wideout.

Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by thl408:
I'm waiting to see what happens if a defense subs out a CB and puts in a safety to combat 13 personnel if the 49ers ground game starts to gain momentum. Since there's only 1 WR, why have 2 CBs on the field? At that point, those TEs have to prove to be good targets in the passing game. The 49ers ran 4 verticals out of 13 personnel in the game. That's a little mad scientist-ish.

I know with the s**tty numbers on the Alts it's hard to tell, but did we favor one WR over the other in our 13 personnel. IMO, Torrey with his speed makes a whole lot of sense as the lone wideout.

I took notice of that and to my surprise, it was Boldin that was the lone WR in the 13 personnel. Not sure why. I would have thought they'd want Torrey's speed to threaten.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by thl408:
I'm waiting to see what happens if a defense subs out a CB and puts in a safety to combat 13 personnel if the 49ers ground game starts to gain momentum. Since there's only 1 WR, why have 2 CBs on the field? At that point, those TEs have to prove to be good targets in the passing game. The 49ers ran 4 verticals out of 13 personnel in the game. That's a little mad scientist-ish.

I know with the s**tty numbers on the Alts it's hard to tell, but did we favor one WR over the other in our 13 personnel. IMO, Torrey with his speed makes a whole lot of sense as the lone wideout.

I took notice of that and to my surprise, it was Boldin that was the lone WR in the 13 personnel. Not sure why. I would have thought they'd want Torrey's speed to threaten.

Boldin is in sync with CK and Torey's still a work in progress...my guess.

This is an alignment that looked very Chip Kelly like. Used to give the QB a very clear read. Chip runs a lot of packaged plays from this type of formation. Here, I think this is to isolate a 6v6 situation in the box as the 49ers run a read-option play.


Unlike a traditional running play where the QB hands off to the RB and is not a threat to block or run, in the read-option, the QB is a threat and adds a +1 to the number of offensive players that factor into the run play. This makes it a 6 defenders versus 6 offensive players (not counting the RB). The DE (#1) is unblocked and is 'occupied' by the QB. The 5 OLmen are even up against the other 5 box defenders.


Boone blocks his man into Martin, which will cause Martin to fall and give up penetration.


Bush looking like a youngster here. +8 yards.