RB Depth

Originally posted by KegBert:
I wish I was as comfortable with our RB depth as the majority of you seem to be. The way I see it, Bush is a perpetual health risk and while Hayne and Mike Davis both show promise neither are proven players. I personally will be crossing my fingers that Hyde stays healthy because if he goes down or wears down, the niners run game is going to suffer greatly.

The niners run game could potentially suffer.

Originally posted by RealSapster4Niners:

Originally posted by KegBert:
I wish I was as comfortable with our RB depth as the majority of you seem to be. The way I see it, Bush is a perpetual health risk and while Hayne and Mike Davis both show promise neither are proven players. I personally will be crossing my fingers that Hyde stays healthy because if he goes down or wears down, the niners run game is going to suffer greatly.

The niners run game could potentially suffer.

If you lose a special back like Hyde it will undoubtedly suffer, the question is how much.

Originally posted by KegBert:

Originally posted by RealSapster4Niners:

Originally posted by KegBert:
I wish I was as comfortable with our RB depth as the majority of you seem to be. The way I see it, Bush is a perpetual health risk and while Hayne and Mike Davis both show promise neither are proven players. I personally will be crossing my fingers that Hyde stays healthy because if he goes down or wears down, the niners run game is going to suffer greatly.

The niners run game could potentially suffer.

If you lose a special back like Hyde it will undoubtedly suffer, the question is how much.

Probably, but expressing a position based on doubt in players' abilities and indicating that neither are proven, is not the same as arguing that they suck and aren't good enough. If Hyde goes down, we'll be losing a known quality RB, for sure. Until the others get time with the ball, we don't know what we'll be gaining. I don't know why supporters worry so much about depth and the bad things that might happen. All teams are limited to 53 on the roster and 46 active, and most teams will be in trouble in a given area if they lose a core player. It just seems like pointless negativity.

Originally posted by RealSapster4Niners:
Probably, but expressing a position based on doubt in players' abilities and indicating that neither are proven, is not the same as arguing that they suck and aren't good enough. If Hyde goes down, we'll be losing a known quality RB, for sure. Until the others get time with the ball, we don't know what we'll be gaining. I don't know why supporters worry so much about depth and the bad things that might happen. All teams are limited to 53 on the roster and 46 active, and most teams will be in trouble in a given area if they lose a core player. It just seems like pointless negativity.

Excellent point. Many were upset Gore left but now it appears Hyde is a better RB at this stage of their careers. If Hyde's out for a game the team has several options with very different strengths for match ups against whatever opponent is coming up.

I've seen it mentioned a couple of times on this forum that Davis would be the natural backup for Hyde, and Hayne should be the back up for Bush. Would someone be able to explain the reasoning behind this for me?

Originally posted by RealSapster4Niners:

Originally posted by KegBert:

Originally posted by RealSapster4Niners:

Originally posted by KegBert:
I wish I was as comfortable with our RB depth as the majority of you seem to be. The way I see it, Bush is a perpetual health risk and while Hayne and Mike Davis both show promise neither are proven players. I personally will be crossing my fingers that Hyde stays healthy because if he goes down or wears down, the niners run game is going to suffer greatly.

The niners run game could potentially suffer.

If you lose a special back like Hyde it will undoubtedly suffer, the question is how much.

Probably, but expressing a position based on doubt in players' abilities and indicating that neither are proven, is not the same as arguing that they suck and aren't good enough. If Hyde goes down, we'll be losing a known quality RB, for sure. Until the others get time with the ball, we don't know what we'll be gaining. I don't know why supporters worry so much about depth and the bad things that might happen. All teams are limited to 53 on the roster and 46 active, and most teams will be in trouble in a given area if they lose a core player. It just seems like pointless negativity.

I kinda get the feeling you are undervaluing Hyde a little. When you have a player that is one of the very best at their position in the whole league when you lose them it hurts, that's just the way it is. If Bush can stay healthy I'm pretty confident that he can be the starting back and do a good job but him staying healthy is a big IF. As for Davis and Hayne we have seen them a little in the preseason and while they did some good things but I don't believe either is ready to take on a large role in the offense. If Hyde does go down for any period of time we will probably go to a running back by committee to take the pressure off the younger guys with bush being the 3rd down back.

As to your last point, unfortunately injuries are a big part of this game, often times the most dangerous teams, come playoff time, are the ones that are the healthiest. I don't stay up at night worrying about it, just browsing the zone and saw a thread about RB depth and decided to throw my 2 cents out. I enjoy discussing and reading about all facets of the team, I don't look at it as being overly negative, just part of being a fanatic and that's why were all hear right?

Originally posted by RealSapster4Niners:
I've seen it mentioned a couple of times on this forum that Davis would be the natural backup for Hyde, and Hayne should be the back up for Bush. Would someone be able to explain the reasoning behind this for me?

Bush is an excellent receiver who can run in the middle of the line, but that's not his best suit. He's quick in space and can make people miss. Hayne seems to be a very good receiver and runs in space well, but he hits the holes a bit slowly when running in the middle. Have no idea how quickly Hayne will pick up the inside stuff but at the rate he's been learning...it won't be long!

Edit: this is sort of a guess about Hayne as he's had few chances. But generally, RBs need to get lower to hit the middle of the line.

Originally posted by RealSapster4Niners:
I've seen it mentioned a couple of times on this forum that Davis would be the natural backup for Hyde, and Hayne should be the back up for Bush. Would someone be able to explain the reasoning behind this for me?

I think what people are referring to when they say that is the skill set that each back brings. Davis, being the more polished NFL RB at this point would be the more natural RB to replace Hyde. While Haynes skills, good blitz pickup and ability to catch the ball coming out of the backfield, more closely relate to those of Bush. At least that's my thoughts on it, there are plenty of posters on this board that no a good deal about the X's and O's than I and may have a more satisfactory explanation.

Originally posted by KegBert:
I kinda get the feeling you are undervaluing Hyde a little... I enjoy discussing and reading about all facets of the team, I don't look at it as being overly negative, just part of being a fanatic and that's why were all hear right?

No, I don't feel that I under-value Hyde - I think of him as the core player for the team in the role - I'm just excited to see what Davis and Hayne can do (especially Hayne because I know his potential). If they show that they aren't ready in the role or aren't on track to be ready soon, then I'll be worrying However, and I may be wrong, it seems to me that Hyde's perceived comparative value has skyrocketed suddenly since the Vikings game and as a result, his potential future loss is also being perceived as greater. I just think it's a bit early to worry about losing him and the inadequacy of the back-ups. Not really arguing with you...just pointing out a reason to not worry too much yet

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by RealSapster4Niners:
I've seen it mentioned a couple of times on this forum that Davis would be the natural backup for Hyde, and Hayne should be the back up for Bush. Would someone be able to explain the reasoning behind this for me?

Bush is an excellent receiver who can run in the middle of the line, but that's not his best suit. He's quick in space and can make people miss. Hayne seems to be a very good receiver and runs in space well, but he hits the holes a bit slowly when running in the middle. Have no idea how quickly Hayne will pick up the inside stuff but at the rate he's been learning...it won't be long!

Edit: this is sort of a guess about Hayne as he's had few chances. But generally, RBs need to get lower to hit the middle of the line.

Ok, so it's a comparison of their ability to run in space. Cheers!

Originally posted by RealSapster4Niners:

Originally posted by KegBert:
I kinda get the feeling you are undervaluing Hyde a little... I enjoy discussing and reading about all facets of the team, I don't look at it as being overly negative, just part of being a fanatic and that's why were all hear right?

No, I don't feel that I under-value Hyde - I think of him as the core player for the team in the role - I'm just excited to see what Davis and Hayne can do (especially Hayne because I know his potential). If they show that they aren't ready in the role or aren't on track to be ready soon, then I'll be worrying However, and I may be wrong, it seems to me that Hyde's perceived comparative value has skyrocketed suddenly since the Vikings game and as a result, his potential future loss is also being perceived as greater. I just think it's a bit early to worry about losing him and the inadequacy of the back-ups. Not really arguing with you...just pointing out a reason to not worry too much yet

All good friend

Originally posted by KegBert:
I think what people are referring to when they say that is the skill set that each back brings. Davis, being the more polished NFL RB at this point would be the more natural RB to replace Hyde. While Haynes skills, good blitz pickup and ability to catch the ball coming out of the backfield, more closely relate to those of Bush. At least that's my thoughts on it, there are plenty of posters on this board that no a good deal about the X's and O's than I and may have a more satisfactory explanation.

Yeah, it seems to be that Hayne is a closer fit to Bush's abilities and style in a few different areas. Makes sense, knowing little about Bush, I was just wondering what they were. Cheers.

Originally posted by dtg_9er:
I'll have to admit to being skeptical! But his ability in the open field is just scary good! He has to learn to be quicker hitting the holes as a RB but he's improved greatly and is already the backup! He's got the size and craftiness to be at least useful and at best great!

I wouldn't expect anything else because I'm sure if roles were reversed I would be just as sceptical.

I'm just glad the majority of 49ers fans seem to be supporting him and have his back.

I think your also pretty spot on as i see at worse will still benefit the team in some way and at best will be great.

If he continues on this learning curve I'm quietly confident and hoping for all concerned that it will be the latter.

Stats on back up RB in game 2 don't lie. Davis had multiple more attempts for very small yardage

In Game 3 we need to Give Hayne the Pill. over Davis at RB. Obviously still as back up to Hyde, if healthy he is still the best RB we have by a mile.

What I don't understand though is if Hyde at RB was not working out in game 2 (other then injury he also dropped the Pill lots), why do the coaches think Davis (with the same style as an RB) would do any better ?

Would you not think, that a change of RB runner "style" may work better than just swapping like for like in the RB position.

In baseball, they change a pitcher if he is getting smacked out of the ground, but they don't swap him for another pitcher with the same "style"

If Bush misses more time do we call Ray Rice's agent?