Week 2 Pittsburg Steelers coaches film analysis

Originally posted by Young2Rice:
With Vance one on one with the LB, Kap was going to a TD. The underneath stuff is not his style. He goes for homerun plays. Considering our red zone offense, I don't blame him. He has a shot, he takes it.

Its ok with me as long as no int and the situation is different.

the thing is, it takes a pinpoint throw like thl said. these types of throws dont come easy to kap. and its not gronk on the end of the play but vance...

I dont know, I understand the thought process, but so far we are beggars in terms of offense, and imo we cant be choosers...the vance route clears out a ton of space too. throwing short high-% passes worked for us last week.

Originally posted by thl408:

I think Kap was happy with the matchup he got - 1v1 with a LB on Vance. Once he saw that, he made up his mind that was the route he'd target. He never gave Patton's drag route a look. The LB gives Vance a nice jam at the LoS and stayed close. It was a tough throw to Vance, but I think a pinpoint throw gets it done.

That's why I'm hoping Logan or Chryst just show him how wide open that crosser was. Again, this is my traditional WCO style talking. I'm pretty sure Joe, Steve, Jeff and Alex all take that crosser. But I see what your saying, he sees Vance on a LB and sees a win.

Originally posted by thl408:


Not a fan of 4 Verticals in a 3rd & 7 situation, but the pass protection is what really fails here.

jesus christ. a 'brain fart' is a vast understatement for what marcus martin (and to lesser extent devey) does here. wow.

Good stuff as usal but did JD cover that one play where Wilhoite was "one-one" with the WR. AND HE GAVE UP A BIG PLAY?

Originally posted by thl408:

This play looks like something straight out of the 2014 playbook. Going too deep for a down and distance that doesn't require it.e

2Q 3rd & 7
4 verticals (I think) vs cover1 blitz
When running 4 verticals, the WRs can be asked to curl their route if they feel the defense is playing with 'over the top' positioning where a GO route would be easily defeated. I think this is what is happening here as Boldin curls his route.
Versus Cover 1 blitz.


The pass protection brain farts as Devey and Martin allow a free rusher up the middle (blue).




Not a fan of 4 Verticals in a 3rd & 7 situation, but the pass protection is what really fails here.


Sacked for -17. After the punt. PIT scores on the bomb to DHB on the first play of the possession.

Yuck...I hate these. I assume the design is try to catch a vert breaking free or hope the verts pull coverage off the curl.

With the score 22-3, Kap and Hyde fumble a handoff and PIT has the ball in great field position. They drive down the field.

2Q 2nd 2
PIT is in 11 personnel (1rb/1te/3WR). 49ers counter with an odd grouping as I count 2DL/3LB/6DBs (Reid, Bethea, Tartt + 3 CBs). From the 2 yard line, this tells PIT to run the ball.


Player to key on is Armstead (91)


AA swim moves over the guard.


Good penetration, but the RB is able to get by him.


29-3

Originally posted by sanjo49er:
Good stuff as usal but did JD cover that one play where Wilhoite was "one-one" with the WR. AND HE GAVE UP A BIG PLAY?

I will get to that for sure if JD doesn't. I touched on it in Marvin's post game thread.

Not sure is this was already posted / discussed --

Interesting Article showing the 6 deep passes on the 9ers Defense.
http://www.scout.com/nfl/49ers/story/1590180-breaking-down-the-49ers-breakdowns

After watching these in quick sequence, I wasn't as discouraged. Yes, it was a bad result on all of them.

Plays 1 & 3
BUT, on the first two, the defense was actually anticipating almost exactly what they got from the Steelers. So the defense called was almost baiting the throws. With just a little better execution they could have been INT instead of killer long completions. (I know, that's often said in football)

Play 2 - the coverage was right there - just a great throw and catch - hard to ask much more from a CB in one on one

Play 4 - Bad defense - CB funneled Bey right to safety Bethea - but he had no chance to run with that speed

Play 5 - Again, the defense accomplished it's scheme IF the pressure got to Ben - and there was actually pressure on this scheme but the OLB got pushed down from behind as he broke free toward Ben. Once Ben escaped with time, THEN the defense broke with an ILB on a WR. But within the expected play time, it wasn't bad scheme. I guess you could argue that a S should have been in Whilhoites spot.

Play 6 - again, not a bad D call, but when Brooks went offsides Brock seemed to hesitate and put ZERO jam on Brown who went right into a 9 route on a free play. That's on Brock for allowing the free release.

So the schemes didn't look as terrible as first impression.

A new concept I have not seen Kap run ever before. Perhaps because they never had a WR like Torrey.

3Q 2nd & 12 (opening drive of 2nd half)
VD and Torrey are running the 'Pole' concept (yellow routes). The slot WR (VD) runs a Go route, the #1 (Torrey) runs a Deep Curl. The idea is that the Go route holds the safety to the inside portion of the field so that the #1 WR (Torrey) can go 1v1 with the CB, threaten deep, then Curl.

Versus Cover 6 (The side of the Pole concept is in Quarters).


Because VD gets jammed hard off the LoS, his route is lagging behind where he should be. Both routes should be at the same depth at this point in time. Kap will target Torrey anyways. VD's route still achieves its purpose in holding the Quarters safety towards the inside portion of the field.


Good ball location where only Torrey can get to it.


+11 yards.

Originally posted by the_dynasty:

Originally posted by Young2Rice:
With Vance one on one with the LB, Kap was going to a TD. The underneath stuff is not his style. He goes for homerun plays. Considering our red zone offense, I don't blame him. He has a shot, he takes it.

Its ok with me as long as no int and the situation is different.

the thing is, it takes a pinpoint throw like thl said. these types of throws dont come easy to kap. and its not gronk on the end of the play but vance...

I dont know, I understand the thought process, but so far we are beggars in terms of offense, and imo we cant be choosers...the vance route clears out a ton of space too. throwing short high-% passes worked for us last week.

Yeah. On second thought, he probably shold of hit the underneath. I don't trust Vance much myself and patton was clear. Make a guy miss and thats a TD

Weird to pimp my own thread, but if you are wondering what Cover6, the #1 WR, Quarters coverage, etc. is, refer to this thread. I won't be going into detail what these coverages/concepts are because this thread covers it.
http://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/niners/182144-all22-analysis-coverages-amp-concepts/

Originally posted by thl408:

Weird to pimp my own thread, but if you are wondering what Cover6, the #1 WR, Quarters coverage, etc. is, refer to this thread. I won't be going into detail what these coverages/concepts are because this thread covers it.
http://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/niners/182144-all22-analysis-coverages-amp-concepts/

Pimp that s**t...it's the best thread on this entire forum

Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by thl408:
Weird to pimp my own thread, but if you are wondering what Cover6, the #1 WR, Quarters coverage, etc. is, refer to this thread. I won't be going into detail what these coverages/concepts are because this thread covers it.
http://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/niners/182144-all22-analysis-coverages-amp-concepts/

Pimp that s**t...it's the best thread on this entire forum

lol yeah

way better then the "Must win game this week?" thread.

Originally posted by defenderDX:

Originally posted by jonesadrian:

Originally posted by defenderDX:
i think they're all retarded

you can actually apply that better to life than "who's got it better than us?"

try that when you get arrested see which one puts things in proper perspective

ijs

not a fan of our bafoon of a coach. get over it.

there's nothing to get over lol and it's buffoon

Perhaps Mangini needs to re-evaluate the personnel and figure out what coverage scheme suits these players best. I thought Reid was put in a difficult position so close to the LOS trying to haul ass back into coverage. He's not a player I want running downfield with his back turned trying to track the receiver and the ball. I want him up top so he can diagnose the action in front of him and move accordingly.

However, that would run contrary to what Mangini wants to do with his safeties in disguising coverage and showing blitz. This approach did fluster Bridgewater, but against a deep ball aficionado like Roethlisberger, a standard 2 deep safety look would have been more appropriate. Pattern matching could have prevented those big chunk plays, the priority in coverage is to take away the vertical route.

We hardly blitzed in this game, regularly rushing 4. I'm sure the Steelers recognized the blitz looks were fake very early on, so what was the point? It didn't fool anybody, all it did was make Reid's job more difficult. Roethlisberger simply took the opportunity to chuck it down field with the safeties out of position and young Acker getting schooled by the best WR in the game. One time getting beat like that, fine. But 2, 3, 4, 5 times.....maybe it's time to adjust.

I don't know what the answer is here, other than the players just playing better. I just wonder if they're being used correctly. Seems like Mangini over-estimated what they're capable of doing. Or maybe he over-compensated going into the game, thinking he had to stop Pittsburgh's packaged plays and didn't think he'd get burned deep with this approach.