Week 2 Pittsburg Steelers coaches film analysis

Originally posted by ltrain:
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/FangVi0.htm

His points allowed on defense as a defensive coordinator before coming to the stacked 49ers team:

95 CAR: 8th
96 CAR: 2nd
97 CAR: 13th
98 CAR: 27th
00 IND: 17th
01 IND: 15th
02 HOU: 20th
03 HOU: 27th
04 HOU: 15th
05 HOU: 32nd

In 2006 he left the Texans and was demoted to linebackers coach in BAL (that's what happens when you coordinate the worst defense in the league). Granted the quality of players in Houston during that time frame didn't exactly help his cause. Next time you call someone a "moron" maybe you should do a little research.

I think Fangio was a decent coordinator for the 49ers but he also didn't walk on water. With the current slate of players on this defense, his scheme would not be as successful to only rush 4 (and neither would anyone elses, comparatively speaking). I don't think we have a bottom 10 defense this year, but I also don't think it is top 10.

So far we have the 4th ranked offense and 16th ranked defense. If we can maintain this and improve just a little more on defense, we'll be good to go. Two games isn't really a sample but after the next game we should see where the defense really is.

It's a fact that short weeks coupled with cross country travel negatively affect a team. That's why alot of teams b***hed about playing on Thursday nights. So I have no problem chalking this blowout loss up as an anomaly. Two years ago when we traveled cross country after beating the Pats to play Seattle on a Thursday night, we got blown the hell out. We only went on to play in the Super Bowl that year.

Originally posted by BleedsRedNGold:
So far we have the 4th ranked offense and 16th ranked defense. If we can maintain this and improve just a little more on defense, we'll be good to go. Two games isn't really a sample but after the next game we should see where the defense really is.

It's a fact that short weeks coupled with cross country travel negatively affect a team. That's why alot of teams b***hed about playing on Thursday nights. So I have no problem chalking this blowout loss up as an anomaly. Two years ago when we traveled cross country after beating the Pats to play Seattle on a Thursday night, we got blown the hell out. We only went on to play in the Super Bowl that year.

who's the scheduling genius that sent a west coast Monday night team to play an early east coast game against a team with 10 days off????

Originally posted by the_dynasty:

Originally posted by jonnydel:
I would've loved to see Ellington get the ball on this play, the inside defenders had turned to go with their man and blown coverage on Ellington, he'd have turned upfield without being touched for at least 5 more yards. The GIF cuts it off right before, but at the end of the play he even turns and does a little jump stomp kind of thing, cause he knew he was open.

you mean patton ? or do you mean you want to see the same play someday only with ellington running the drag ?

I meant - I get the 2 guys' numbers confused...lol

Here's the other dropped pass by Boldin. I wanted to highlight this play for the coverage read that Kap makes.

2Q 2nd & 10
This play will look familiar if you saw the MIN film thread. All game long versus MIN the 49ers hit this play on the intermediate route (red).

High-low three lever flood. Yellow would push the deep zone sideline defender downfield for orange and red to vertically stretch the underneath zone defender.
Versus cover 2 zone (2 deep, 4 underneath).


PIT snuffs this play out and will take away the intermediate route as well as the short route. The CB jamming Boldin will take defeat the orange (intermediate) route. The defender engaged with Celek will defeat the red (short) route. Kap's progression is high to low. Also, Kap is reading how the CB jamming Boldin is positioned. That CB is facing the play, about to let BOldin go by. This suggests that he is an underneath zone defender and will not follow Boldin up the sideline. Kap reads this and will target Boldin in the 'honey hole' - the area behind the CB and in front of the cover2 safety.


Notice how PIT takes away the intermediate and short route. Something MIN never did the 7(?) times the 49ers ran this same concept. Good read and throw. Dropped ball.

Originally posted by BleedsRedNGold:

Originally posted by ltrain:
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/FangVi0.htm

His points allowed on defense as a defensive coordinator before coming to the stacked 49ers team:

95 CAR: 8th
96 CAR: 2nd
97 CAR: 13th
98 CAR: 27th
00 IND: 17th
01 IND: 15th
02 HOU: 20th
03 HOU: 27th
04 HOU: 15th
05 HOU: 32nd

In 2006 he left the Texans and was demoted to linebackers coach in BAL (that's what happens when you coordinate the worst defense in the league). Granted the quality of players in Houston during that time frame didn't exactly help his cause. Next time you call someone a "moron" maybe you should do a little research.

I think Fangio was a decent coordinator for the 49ers but he also didn't walk on water. With the current slate of players on this defense, his scheme would not be as successful to only rush 4 (and neither would anyone elses, comparatively speaking). I don't think we have a bottom 10 defense this year, but I also don't think it is top 10.

So far we have the 4th ranked offense and 16th ranked defense. If we can maintain this and improve just a little more on defense, we'll be good to go. Two games isn't really a sample but after the next game we should see where the defense really is.

It's a fact that short weeks coupled with cross country travel negatively affect a team. That's why alot of teams b***hed about playing on Thursday nights. So I have no problem chalking this blowout loss up as an anomaly. Two years ago when we traveled cross country after beating the Pats to play Seattle on a Thursday night, we got blown the hell out. We only went on to play in the Super Bowl that year.

Bob Papa had a good rant this morning on nfl radio about ranking teams based on gross yards. It is kind of silly the nfl still does it. A team is up by 25 points and are just trying to run the clock. The team down is throwing every play. Garbage time yards don't = great teams.

49ers offensive 3rd down conversion = 41%

49ers offensive red zone conversion = 22%

not good

Originally posted by SoCold:
Notice how Bowman is worthless on that play just sitting there in the middle of the field with no one around him. If he's blitzing and gets through the line that's a game changer.

notice how worthless this assessment of yours is. he still has a responsibility he has to maintain....

Originally posted by BleedsRedNGold:
Is Martin retarded? Is he a slow learner? Guy is as articulate as hell in interviews, but on the field he's as dumb as a bag of rocks. It's gotta be the youth.

When is Easton ready? He can't be any worse than Martin. Kilgore won't be available for a while, and it will take him some time to get into shape after recovery. Kilgore is a mediocre center at best anyway. Our hopes should be Easton.

Originally posted by SoCold:
Bob Papa had a good rant this morning on nfl radio about ranking teams based on gross yards. It is kind of silly the nfl still does it. A team is up by 25 points and are just trying to run the clock. The team down is throwing every play. Garbage time yards don't = great teams.

49ers offensive 3rd down conversion = 41%

49ers offensive red zone conversion = 22%

not good

The good is that scheme isn't the reason for this, it's execution. Dropped balls and blown assignments can be devastating. But those can be fixed.

Originally posted by socalniner:
Poor safety help

it's cover 3. the corners aren't supposed to allow anything deep. only 1 safety in the MOF

Originally posted by defenderDX:

Originally posted by SoCold:
Notice how Bowman is worthless on that play just sitting there in the middle of the field with no one around him. If he's blitzing and gets through the line that's a game changer.

notice how worthless this assessment of yours is. he still has a responsibility he has to maintain....

What?

It's the point of not blitzing vs blitzing. It's always risk vs reward. To me we didn't blitz enough in this game and take chances. Esp. when we are down by that much what do you have to lose?

When you blitz you take a chance that the blitz will disrupt the play. vs Dropping into a zone coverage and hoping someone runs in your zone to cover.

LB zone is usually a 12 yard drop 1 or 2 yards off the hash. Bowman is 20 yards deep off the los by the time Ben shakes the one rusher and roll to the right.

What Pitt did there is take our best player right out of the game and Mangini helped them do it.

Originally posted by SoCold:

Originally posted by cjsmoove:

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by SoCold:

Originally posted by NinerGM:
I really don't understand the conclusions that are the complete OPPOSITE of what's been discussed. I really don't get it. I really believe some people choose to be argumentative and bitter without reasoning. They dominate first game defense and what did some say? It's just one game. They fly to a rested, prepared opponent on a short week against an elite QB and offense that has been tops in the league for 3 seasons and the resulting conclusion? I wish we had our old coaches back. LOL. Well I'll use the same logic. It was just one game. Making excuses for Fangio is a joke in Chicago - the Bears have been playing poorly, period - AT HOME. No excuse. And many here thought Gase was a better option than Fangio and both are aided by a 2-time super bowl appearing HC in Fox. The Bears should play better - point blank. Oh it does come down to talent does it now? I thought Baalke was a terrible GM who has failed?

Double double standard standard.

If you look at how the team went about trying to stop Pitts offense you can clearly see that our coaching staff had no idea what they were doing.

Those zone plays were never going to work. No way Bowman or Whilhoite can cover Darrius Heyward-Bey. When they ran more of a nickle set with Ward there was decent coverage. Couple times Miller the TE was Bens only option. They should have been doing that all game. In the first half the coaches simply did not put the players in the best positions to compete in that game.

This is absolutely not what's been discussed. Period. People here even went through the trouble of breaking down, frame-by-frame the poor technique used in press coverage (something the Seahawks do effectively). I mean seriously - on huge, big chunk plays or TD. You're talking about a COUPLE of plays and the analysis here is about the technique used as a whole on defense and the disguise coverages employed putting our safeties in a bad spot when the CBs aren't playing proper technique, ALONG WITH not generating a pass-rush with only 4 rushers. Dude what are you talking about? SoCold you're a rational dude and have been posting for a while. Your summary doesn't even come close to what has been said. Ben was calling audibles at the LOS with sub-packages to counter what the 49ers were doing and the center was reading the LBs. Coaches stop what? The only thing I understand as a difference between what's being done this year opposed to last season was pattern matching - which for unknown reasons have not yet been used. But christ, a little early to decisively say "they don't know what they're doing" no? I certainly didn't see you post that last week. Same coaching staff. Same team. There's this myth that we are going to dominate every team in every situation every game on a short week flying cross country playing a 2-time SB QB with protection and speed on the outside against a young but learning defense. Yet when you discuss Fangio just 3 posts above, you rationalize that it's totally ok to get blown out AT HOME two weeks in a row with a vet coaching staff, and a HC who's coached two super bowls.

Come on man......

Thank You.

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Jonny outlines exactly what I'm talking about in the last 2 paragraphs in the fist post of this thread. Maybe you guys should actually read the post. Then comment on what I shouldn't be allowed to talk about in

Me personally was responding to the short week and travel and less time for preparation. Even I don't agree with the "coaches had no idea what they're doing" I respect you opinions and evaluations and comments on several posts. I actually enjoy the debates and different opinions on our team by you all. Hell I wish some of the coaches peeped in our forum to gather some info and critiques from some of our knowledgeable members.

Originally posted by 94949er:
who's the scheduling genius that sent a west coast Monday night team to play an early east coast game against a team with 10 days off????

A Steelers fan or Pittsburgh native?

Originally posted by ChazBoner:
3rd down for the steelers after Bruce Miller's TD drop. Can you please explain to me wtf armstead is doing? Clear shot on Ben, doesn't take it. Instead stands there and does the shuffle/raise the roof dance. A gif would be nice.

AA as the left DT on a loop.
No idea why he hesitated to pressure Ben. He should have been chomping at the bit to finally smack Ben. Perhaps he thought is was a screen pass?

Originally posted by cjsmoove:

Originally posted by SoCold:

Originally posted by cjsmoove:

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by SoCold:

Originally posted by NinerGM:
I really don't understand the conclusions that are the complete OPPOSITE of what's been discussed. I really don't get it. I really believe some people choose to be argumentative and bitter without reasoning. They dominate first game defense and what did some say? It's just one game. They fly to a rested, prepared opponent on a short week against an elite QB and offense that has been tops in the league for 3 seasons and the resulting conclusion? I wish we had our old coaches back. LOL. Well I'll use the same logic. It was just one game. Making excuses for Fangio is a joke in Chicago - the Bears have been playing poorly, period - AT HOME. No excuse. And many here thought Gase was a better option than Fangio and both are aided by a 2-time super bowl appearing HC in Fox. The Bears should play better - point blank. Oh it does come down to talent does it now? I thought Baalke was a terrible GM who has failed?

Double double standard standard.

If you look at how the team went about trying to stop Pitts offense you can clearly see that our coaching staff had no idea what they were doing.

Those zone plays were never going to work. No way Bowman or Whilhoite can cover Darrius Heyward-Bey. When they ran more of a nickle set with Ward there was decent coverage. Couple times Miller the TE was Bens only option. They should have been doing that all game. In the first half the coaches simply did not put the players in the best positions to compete in that game.

This is absolutely not what's been discussed. Period. People here even went through the trouble of breaking down, frame-by-frame the poor technique used in press coverage (something the Seahawks do effectively). I mean seriously - on huge, big chunk plays or TD. You're talking about a COUPLE of plays and the analysis here is about the technique used as a whole on defense and the disguise coverages employed putting our safeties in a bad spot when the CBs aren't playing proper technique, ALONG WITH not generating a pass-rush with only 4 rushers. Dude what are you talking about? SoCold you're a rational dude and have been posting for a while. Your summary doesn't even come close to what has been said. Ben was calling audibles at the LOS with sub-packages to counter what the 49ers were doing and the center was reading the LBs. Coaches stop what? The only thing I understand as a difference between what's being done this year opposed to last season was pattern matching - which for unknown reasons have not yet been used. But christ, a little early to decisively say "they don't know what they're doing" no? I certainly didn't see you post that last week. Same coaching staff. Same team. There's this myth that we are going to dominate every team in every situation every game on a short week flying cross country playing a 2-time SB QB with protection and speed on the outside against a young but learning defense. Yet when you discuss Fangio just 3 posts above, you rationalize that it's totally ok to get blown out AT HOME two weeks in a row with a vet coaching staff, and a HC who's coached two super bowls.

Come on man......

Thank You.

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Jonny outlines exactly what I'm talking about in the last 2 paragraphs in the fist post of this thread. Maybe you guys should actually read the post. Then comment on what I shouldn't be allowed to talk about in

Me personally was responding to the short week and travel and less time for preparation. Even I don't agree with the "coaches had no idea what they're doing" I respect you opinions and evaluations and comments on several posts. I actually enjoy the debates and different opinions on our team by you all. Hell I wish some of the coaches peeped in our forum to gather some info and critiques from some of our knowledgeable members.

yeah I guess that was kind of harsh. I mean they didn't give up 100 points and stopped them a few times so they did know some things.

just frustrating to watch

not sure why they tried to disguise the zone with the CB up in a bump and run / man coverage look? It really puts them at a disadvantage from the start. The WR have them beat within the fist 5 yards.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by ChazBoner:
3rd down for the steelers after Bruce Miller's TD drop. Can you please explain to me wtf armstead is doing? Clear shot on Ben, doesn't take it. Instead stands there and does the shuffle/raise the roof dance. A gif would be nice.

AA as the left DT on a loop.
No idea why he hesitated to pressure Ben. He should have been chomping at the bit to finally smack Ben. Perhaps he thought is was a screen pass?

Looks like a young inexperienced guy who's thinking too much and not just reacting.