Week 2 Pittsburg Steelers coaches film analysis

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Young2Rice:

Originally posted by SoCold:

Originally posted by Nuns:

Originally posted by SoCold:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by ChazBoner:
3rd down for the steelers after Bruce Miller's TD drop. Can you please explain to me wtf armstead is doing? Clear shot on Ben, doesn't take it. Instead stands there and does the shuffle/raise the roof dance. A gif would be nice.

AA as the left DT on a loop.
No idea why he hesitated to pressure Ben. He should have been chomping at the bit to finally smack Ben. Perhaps he thought is was a screen pass?

Looks like a young inexperienced guy who's thinking too much and not just reacting.

If you look at the stunt, he is the last defender on the right side of the dline. He likely has contain responsibilities. It looks like he focuses contain first then heads up field. Disciplined.

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think he's supposed to shoot the gap in between the T and G not go all the way around the end lol

It looks like a stunt with Carradine to me. Would have gotten the safety if he shoots that gap. Contain would make sense if it was Russel Wilson, but Big ben isnt running very far.

It's a line stunt. No doubt about it. Notice how the two rushers on the right side of the DLine crash inwards. It's to create space for AA to loop around.

Yeah that is what I suspected. Looks like a nicely dialed up play with poor execution.

Originally posted by SoCold:

Originally posted by Nuns:

Originally posted by SoCold:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by ChazBoner:
3rd down for the steelers after Bruce Miller's TD drop. Can you please explain to me wtf armstead is doing? Clear shot on Ben, doesn't take it. Instead stands there and does the shuffle/raise the roof dance. A gif would be nice.

AA as the left DT on a loop.
No idea why he hesitated to pressure Ben. He should have been chomping at the bit to finally smack Ben. Perhaps he thought is was a screen pass?

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Looks like a young inexperienced guy who's thinking too much and not just reacting.

If you look at the stunt, he is the last defender on the right side of the dline. He likely has contain responsibilities. It looks like he focuses contain first then heads up field. Disciplined.

think he's supposed to shoot the gap in between the T and G not go all the way around the end lol

Looks to me that he simply lost where Ben was standing for a second. He sees him in the main pocket prior to stepping around the block, then is immediately looking in the same part of the backfield expecting Ben to be there, not having seen that Ben has stepped out of the pocket and is now slightly to the side.

Originally posted by Young2Rice:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Young2Rice:

Originally posted by SoCold:

Originally posted by Nuns:

Originally posted by SoCold:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by ChazBoner:
3rd down for the steelers after Bruce Miller's TD drop. Can you please explain to me wtf armstead is doing? Clear shot on Ben, doesn't take it. Instead stands there and does the shuffle/raise the roof dance. A gif would be nice.

AA as the left DT on a loop.
No idea why he hesitated to pressure Ben. He should have been chomping at the bit to finally smack Ben. Perhaps he thought is was a screen pass?

Looks like a young inexperienced guy who's thinking too much and not just reacting.

If you look at the stunt, he is the last defender on the right side of the dline. He likely has contain responsibilities. It looks like he focuses contain first then heads up field. Disciplined.

think he's supposed to shoot the gap in between the T and G not go all the way around the end lol

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It looks like a stunt with Carradine to me. Would have gotten the safety if he shoots that gap. Contain would make sense if it was Russel Wilson, but Big ben isnt running very far.

It's a line stunt. No doubt about it. Notice how the two rushers on the right side of the DLine crash inwards. It's to create space for AA to loop around.

Yeah that is what I suspected. Looks like a nicely dialed up play with poor execution.

I think I know why it looks like AA was hesitant. He wasn't hesitant, he was just clumsy in turning the corner. 6'8" 300+ guys don't turn corners well.

Originally posted by captveg:
Looks to me that he simply lost where Ben was standing for a second. He sees him in the main pocket prior to stepping around the block, then is immediately looking in the same part of the backfield expecting Ben to be there, not having seen that Ben has stepped out of the pocket and is now slightly to the side.

Big ben slid exactly where AA was supposed to be. He blew his assignment. A great play by Reid averted another disaster.

Originally posted by Young2Rice:

Originally posted by captveg:
Looks to me that he simply lost where Ben was standing for a second. He sees him in the main pocket prior to stepping around the block, then is immediately looking in the same part of the backfield expecting Ben to be there, not having seen that Ben has stepped out of the pocket and is now slightly to the side.

Big ben slid exactly where AA was supposed to be. He blew his assignment. A great play by Reid averted another disaster.

AA's anticipation of Ben's pocket slide was poor when he lost sight on him going around the block. Something to learn from.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Young2Rice:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Young2Rice:

Originally posted by SoCold:

Originally posted by Nuns:

Originally posted by SoCold:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by ChazBoner:
3rd down for the steelers after Bruce Miller's TD drop. Can you please explain to me wtf armstead is doing? Clear shot on Ben, doesn't take it. Instead stands there and does the shuffle/raise the roof dance. A gif would be nice.

AA as the left DT on a loop.
No idea why he hesitated to pressure Ben. He should have been chomping at the bit to finally smack Ben. Perhaps he thought is was a screen pass?

Looks like a young inexperienced guy who's thinking too much and not just reacting.

If you look at the stunt, he is the last defender on the right side of the dline. He likely has contain responsibilities. It looks like he focuses contain first then heads up field. Disciplined.

think he's supposed to shoot the gap in between the T and G not go all the way around the end lol

It looks like a stunt with Carradine to me. Would have gotten the safety if he shoots that gap. Contain would make sense if it was Russel Wilson, but Big ben isnt running very far.

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It's a line stunt. No doubt about it. Notice how the two rushers on the right side of the DLine crash inwards. It's to create space for AA to loop around.

Yeah that is what I suspected. Looks like a nicely dialed up play with poor execution.

I think I know why it looks like AA was hesitant. He wasn't hesitant, he was just clumsy in turning the corner. 6'8" 300+ guys don't turn corners well.

Maybe. But it looks like he has his feet set and was thinking big ben was moving towards him. But big ben was actually hitching and AA may have confused the hitch with an attempt to take off running. Either way, AA should be more aggressive there, imo.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Young2Rice:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Young2Rice:

Originally posted by SoCold:

Originally posted by Nuns:

Originally posted by SoCold:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by ChazBoner:

3rd down for the steelers after Bruce Miller's TD drop. Can you please explain to me wtf armstead is doing? Clear shot on Ben, doesn't take it. Instead stands there and does the shuffle/raise the roof dance. A gif would be nice.

AA as the left DT on a loop.
No idea why he hesitated to pressure Ben. He should have been chomping at the bit to finally smack Ben. Perhaps he thought is was a screen pass?

Looks like a young inexperienced guy who's thinking too much and not just reacting.

If you look at the stunt, he is the last defender on the right side of the dline. He likely has contain responsibilities. It looks like he focuses contain first then heads up field. Disciplined.

think he's supposed to shoot the gap in between the T and G not go all the way around the end lol

It looks like a stunt with Carradine to me. Would have gotten the safety if he shoots that gap. Contain would make sense if it was Russel Wilson, but Big ben isnt running very far.

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It's a line stunt. No doubt about it. Notice how the two rushers on the right side of the DLine crash inwards. It's to create space for AA to loop around.

Yeah that is what I suspected. Looks like a nicely dialed up play with poor execution.

I think I know why it looks like AA was hesitant. He wasn't hesitant, he was just clumsy in turning the corner. 6'8" 300+ guys don't turn corners well.

Does look like he had to take an extra step to change direction and get his momentum moving forward.

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by Young2Rice:

Originally posted by captveg:
Looks to me that he simply lost where Ben was standing for a second. He sees him in the main pocket prior to stepping around the block, then is immediately looking in the same part of the backfield expecting Ben to be there, not having seen that Ben has stepped out of the pocket and is now slightly to the side.

Big ben slid exactly where AA was supposed to be. He blew his assignment. A great play by Reid averted another disaster.

AA's anticipation of Ben's pocket slide was poor when he lost sight on him going around the block. Something to learn from.

Yeah. Thats what people mean by raw me thinkgs.

Originally posted by ChazBoner:

Originally posted by Nuns:
If you look at the stunt, he is the last defender on the right side of the dline. He likely has contain responsibilities. It looks like he focuses contain first then heads up field. Disciplined.

he saw the running back take off. What's there to contain? You come around that corner screaming and bury the burger. I'm sure tomsula is telling him that very thing right now!

Yeah, if you are getting sent on a stunt your responsibility is to get to the QB.

Originally posted by SofaKing:
For what it's worth, Cosell on KNBR saying conceptually our defense was fine. Tape was not as bad as the score. Only play we really got beat conceptually was TD to DHB, when he got a clean release running right past Bethea in coverage. Doesn't think our defense is bad, just got beat by a great offense.

That's what I was trying to get across in my breakdowns as well. In theory, the coverage was right for the plays, we just didn't execute it well. Whether that be on the players themselves or on the coaches putting them in positions, or the players putting themselves in those positions - a lot of those plays came off no-huddle, so it's also hard to say that Mangini was calling in the disguises from the sideline when it's a no-huddle situation.

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by SofaKing:

For what it's worth, Cosell on KNBR saying conceptually our defense was fine. Tape was not as bad as the score. Only play we really got beat conceptually was TD to DHB, when he got a clean release running right past Bethea in coverage. Doesn't think our defense is bad, just got beat by a great offense.

That's what I was trying to get across in my breakdowns as well. In theory, the coverage was right for the plays, we just didn't execute it well. Whether that be on the players themselves or on the coaches putting them in positions, or the players putting themselves in those positions - a lot of those plays came off no-huddle, so it's also hard to say that Mangini was calling in the disguises from the sideline when it's a no-huddle situation.

Bruce Arians on his conference call said stuff similar. Said it was more Ben being Ben than a scheme breakdown.

6 for 10 on third down, with those 6 plays accounting for 244 yards of offense!!!

Here's an example of how both Martin and our TE's got beat in the run game. 7:30 2nd QTR


We're in a 3 TE set with Boldin set wide and VD on the weakside of the formation.


We're going to run our stretch tackle play - it's what was our staple against the Vikings.


Boone gives a slight nudge on the 0 tech and moves the 2nd level. Staley helps on the DE, then moves to the 2nd level while #89(McD??) picks up the DE.


Martin gets beat across his face and pushed upfield. McD also gets pushed back - they both have to play with better leverage. Notice how the DT was able to get his hands under Martin's pads and his head is lower than Martin's. He's playing with better leverage.


I've gone to the All-22 to show how far back both Martin and McD have been pushed. The ball was on the 22 yrd line and Martin has been pushed over a yard a half back. On a running play, he should be pushing his guy a yard and a half off the ball. You can also see McD beat from leverage too. They both have to get lower on their blocks.


The forceful movement backwards from the blockers causes Hyde to hesitate for just a step - it's what blows the play up, it gives the defense enough time to get to the hole. Celek's block then gets defeated by Shazier(to his credit, Shazier really showed up in this game, dude's a ball player). If Martin and McD don't get pushed back, Hyde never hesitates and takes this ball straight to the hole and probably gains, at minimum, 5 yards. Or, if Celek could've held his block a little longer, we make a good gain. Either way, both Martin and our TE's poorly execute this play. It's a -1 yard run.

I like what I've seen from kap so far. Still a couple wtf moments here and there, but he's definitely progressed as far as keeping his eyes down field and taking a look around every now and then.

Originally posted by ChazBoner:
3rd down for the steelers after Bruce Miller's TD drop. Can you please explain to me wtf armstead is doing? Clear shot on Ben, doesn't take it. Instead stands there and does the shuffle/raise the roof dance. A gif would be nice.

THL's description may be more accurate, but this was lol

It totally looks like raise the roof dance