Week 2 Pittsburg Steelers coaches film analysis

Pears is torally unprepared.

Wow. Im in shock kaepernick is alive.

Originally posted by thl408:

Really like this keyframe here as VD pulls the boundary safety to earn Torrey the seam in the middle of the field.


This play was cut up fully here: http://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/niners/183255-week-pittsburg-steelers-coaches-film-analysis/page16/#post233

Pretty nice having two guys out there with speed in the top level of their positions. TS speed on the opposite side of VD poses a lot of problems for defenses.

Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by thl408:
Really like this keyframe here as VD pulls the boundary safety to earn Torrey the seam in the middle of the field.


This play was cut up fully here: http://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/niners/183255-week-pittsburg-steelers-coaches-film-analysis/page16/#post233

Pretty nice having two guys out there with speed in the top level of their positions. TS speed on the opposite side of VD poses a lot of problems for defenses.

He really could have hit torrey or vernon. We need to keep our TE and RB in more often to protect Kap. I am a big fan of the late release of the RB into the flat. He would have had some serious room to run if that was built in...

Kap basically had max protection on that play and we will need that if we are to take shots down the field. That is something to look at carefully this week.

Originally posted by CullyInTheHouse:
Kap basically had max protection on that play and we will need that if we are to take shots down the field. That is something to look at carefully this week.

its exactly what big ben had when he took his shots as well lol. not a coincidence.

Out of the whole game...how much was stupidity and how much was a lack of talent? Meaning is this more correctable or do we need different players?

Originally posted by jreff22:

Out of the whole game...how much was stupidity and how much was a lack of talent? Meaning is this more correctable or do we need different players?

Time will tell. Even for the guys that were here in previous years the defense is running substantially different looks and guys have a variety of new responsibilities.

My guess is that you will see quite a few ups and downs as guys fully adjust to the new scheme and playcalling.

I would pay top dollar to compare the coaches notes with the notes in this thread. Our coaching staff is full of seasoned NFL vets, I can't imagine what's been said in this thread is beyond their grasp. I'd be curious to see if they agree with our resident experts or if there are other levels to the strategy of football we just don't understand.

On the other hand, its one thing to break down a scheme/play or game plan after the fact, but its a whole other thing to diagnose whats going on before its all been revealed and only 30 seconds between plays.

It sounds to me like we flat out got out coached and out played. Steelers are just a better team right now (coaches and players). If they wanted to, they could of put up a 60 burger.

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
I would pay top dollar to compare the coaches notes with the notes in this thread. Our coaching staff is full of seasoned NFL vets, I can't imagine what's been said in this thread is beyond their grasp. I'd be curious to see if they agree with our resident experts or if there are other levels to the strategy of football we just don't understand.

On the other hand, its one thing to break down a scheme/play or game plan after the fact, but its a whole other thing to diagnose whats going on before its all been revealed and only 30 seconds between plays.

It sounds to me like we flat out got out coached and out played. Steelers are just a better team right now (coaches and players). If they wanted to, they could of put up a 60 burger.

The thing I noticed in the defensive backfield was hustle. Often in the wrong direction but that's correctable.

With the emphasis on teaching this year I would expect this to be a work in progress all year and hopefully the 9ers have good students. That's the unknown...how receptive are these guys to learning new complicated schemes? My guess is that they will improve greatly because I don't see a bad character in the group...corner backs or safeties. Many have been leaders in college or the pros as well.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by jreff22:

Out of the whole game...how much was stupidity and how much was a lack of talent? Meaning is this more correctable or do we need different players?

Time will tell. Even for the guys that were here in previous years the defense is running substantially different looks and guys have a variety of new responsibilities.

My guess is that you will see quite a few ups and downs as guys fully adjust to the new scheme and playcalling.

I'm hoping we find a way to be 3-3 after the first 6. That'll give us a greet opportunity at 9-10 wins and potentially a playoff spot.

Honestly though after the first two games I really don't know what the hell we are this year. I really believe the offense has at least top 10 potential if we can get the blocking settled. As long as the defense doesn't crater I think we'll make a playoff run.

Originally posted by Niners816:
I'm hoping we find a way to be 3-3 after the first 6. That'll give us a greet opportunity at 9-10 wins and potentially a playoff spot.

Honestly though after the first two games I really don't know what the hell we are this year. I really believe the offense has at least top 10 potential if we can get the blocking settled. As long as the defense doesn't crater I think we'll make a playoff run.

I'm hoping for 4-4 after the first eight, so we are on the same page...almost. Really front loaded the challenges in this schedule! But that may be good in that there will be no false sense of where they stand midseason. Either they will be decent/improving (4-4) or they will be struggling (2-6).

When you consider the turnover/change in the lines it isn't surprising they have had an up and down start. 4/5 new players on the OL at their positions, and 2/3 new DL starters with the loss of Justin and McD. Same can be said for the DBs where one CB is back out of the top four. Our safeties need to take up the slack and help more in the future. Then the LBs...2/4 starters are new. Offense? New RBs.

Patience is difficult but lack of patience would be disasterous for this team. If the coaches took the panic approach, as some posters are suggesting, the team would spiral down. By this I mean starting players before they are ready just because they have high ceilings. I love the way the coaches are working in Armstead, Tartt and Ward. Would like to see more Harold if he's ready.

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
I would pay top dollar to compare the coaches notes with the notes in this thread. Our coaching staff is full of seasoned NFL vets, I can't imagine what's been said in this thread is beyond their grasp. I'd be curious to see if they agree with our resident experts or if there are other levels to the strategy of football we just don't understand.

On the other hand, its one thing to break down a scheme/play or game plan after the fact, but its a whole other thing to diagnose whats going on before its all been revealed and only 30 seconds between plays.

It sounds to me like we flat out got out coached and out played. Steelers are just a better team right now (coaches and players). If they wanted to, they could of put up a 60 burger.

I mentioned this in an earlier post, but there definitely is a deeper level we aren't discussing enough in these film threads. Speaking just for myself, I can't spot intricate details of gameplanning when I'm watching the film. We all see the general gameplanning. Such as in this game, the 49ers tried to get the ground game going early. On defense they tried to confuse PIT's OLine protection scheme by crowding the LoS with the safeties.

The level of detail I am referring to is that I can't make the connection between how a team lines up in a certain formation in the 1st quarter, then if they do it again later in the game, and how they ran a different play to fool the defense. Or how a defense did X when faced with a certain down and distance, then later in the game they did Y in the same down and distance to fool the offense.

There is always a cat and mouse game going on between OCs and DCs, and that's what's hard for me to spot. I just look at a play and can tell what happened in a vacuum. I can't tell why it happened, as in what was the OC/DC thinking. Was he using a certain play to set up another play later in the game?

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by Niners816:
I'm hoping we find a way to be 3-3 after the first 6. That'll give us a greet opportunity at 9-10 wins and potentially a playoff spot.

Honestly though after the first two games I really don't know what the hell we are this year. I really believe the offense has at least top 10 potential if we can get the blocking settled. As long as the defense doesn't crater I think we'll make a playoff run.

I'm hoping for 4-4 after the first eight, so we are on the same page...almost. Really front loaded the challenges in this schedule! But that may be good in that there will be no false sense of where they stand midseason. Either they will be decent/improving (4-4) or they will be struggling (2-6).

When you consider the turnover/change in the lines it isn't surprising they have had an up and down start. 4/5 new players on the OL at their positions, and 2/3 new DL starters with the loss of Justin and McD. Same can be said for the DBs where one CB is back out of the top four. Our safeties need to take up the slack and help more in the future. Then the LBs...2/4 starters are new. Offense? New RBs.

Patience is difficult but lack of patience would be disasterous for this team. If the coaches took the panic approach, as some posters are suggesting, the team would spiral down. By this I mean starting players before they are ready just because they have high ceilings. I love the way the coaches are working in Armstead, Tartt and Ward. Would like to see more Harold if he's ready.

I'm with you dtg. I see this season as more of a building season because of the turnover. If the team makes a playoff run, fantastic. But I'd really like to see the players grow and improve as the season goes on, even if it doesn't mean a large win total when all is said and done. There are a lot of young guys out there with big shoes to fill.

Originally posted by thl408:

I mentioned this in an earlier post, but there definitely is a deeper level we aren't discussing enough in these film threads. Speaking just for myself, I can't spot intricate details of gameplanning when I'm watching the film. We all see the general gameplanning. Such as in this game, the 49ers tried to get the ground game going early. On defense they tried to confuse PIT's OLine protection scheme by crowding the LoS with the safeties.

The level of detail I am referring to is that I can't make the connection between how a team lines up in a certain formation in the 1st quarter, then if they do it again later in the game, and how they ran a different play to fool the defense. Or how a defense did X when faced with a certain down and distance, then later in the game they did Y in the same down and distance to fool the offense.

There is always a cat and mouse game going on between OCs and DCs, and that's what's hard for me to spot. I just look at a play and can tell what happened in a vacuum. I can't tell why it happened, as in what was the OC/DC thinking. Was he using a certain play to set up another play later in the game?

Thats a great point about the cat and mouse game between the offense and defense. Without knowing the entire playbook, it's really hard to know exactly what plays are there to set up other. Since we have access to the 1994 niner pass playbook we know that this play:

Is ran with the hopes of eventually setting up this play:

But we really only knows this because in the playbook they are on the same concept sets and kinda refer to each other.

Originally posted by JoeBart324:
I'm with you dtg. I see this season as more of a building season because of the turnover. If the team makes a playoff run, fantastic. But I'd really like to see the players grow and improve as the season goes on, even if it doesn't mean a large win total when all is said and done. There are a lot of young guys out there with big shoes to fill.