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Originally posted by sacniner:
It almost looks like he did the initial pump fake here because the nose tackle took away his throwing lane... thl408?
Here's the view of him pump faking. It does look like the NT is in the passing lane, but it also seems like he is far enough for Kap to get the throw over his head. The NT is also moving to his right which is away from the passing lane. I don't think Kap should be spooked about that NT, but it's hard to tell from the view we have available.
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by sacniner:
It almost looks like he did the initial pump fake here because the nose tackle took away his throwing lane... thl408?
Here's the view of him pump faking. It does look like the NT is in the passing lane, but it also seems like he is far enough for Kap to get the throw over his head. The NT is also moving to his right which is away from the passing lane. I don't think Kap should be spooked about that NT, but it's hard to tell from the view we have available.

He didn't throw it because Torrey Smith was a step ahead of Kap in reading the defense. Kap was looking for Torrey on the drag but Torrey stopped to keep HoneyBadger honest. Torrey should have finished his route. This could have forced that S to stay on Torrey and allow Kap the time to move and throw over to Boldin.
Kap just had a bad game. This is an anomaly. All of his INTS were correct, easy reads but bad throws.

He must have had a head cold or something. That's the only explanation.

Biggest problem is the defense.
[ Edited by BleedsRedNGold on Oct 1, 2015 at 10:05 AM ]
Originally posted by BleedsRedNGold:
Kap just had a bad game. This is an anomaly. All of his INTS were correct, easy reads but bad throws.

He must have had a head cold or something. That's the only explanation.

Biggest problem is the defense.

The defense is what really scares me now. This is consecutive games where the opposing offense has essentially passed at will. And those weren't just dink and dunk passes. The defense is giving up huge chunk plays consistently. That is scary stuff.
Originally posted by JoeBart324:
Originally posted by BleedsRedNGold:
Kap just had a bad game. This is an anomaly. All of his INTS were correct, easy reads but bad throws.

He must have had a head cold or something. That's the only explanation.

Biggest problem is the defense.

The defense is what really scares me now. This is consecutive games where the opposing offense has essentially passed at will. And those weren't just dink and dunk passes. The defense is giving up huge chunk plays consistently. That is scary stuff.

So this. Not worried about the offense at all because there were definitely openings. Kap just played terrible. The defense...I just don't see Mangini beating good QB's.

The good news is that there are not very many good QB's in the league until the playoffs. The bad new is that they will all be in the playoffs.
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Originally posted by solidg2000:
Originally posted by thl408:
On the ensuing 49er drive, Patton commits a personal foul and changes what should have been a 3rd & 5 into a 3rd & 20. Very ill advised penalty and unnecessary at this point in the game. The 49ers would punt after failing to convert on 3rd & 20.

That was a terrible flag though, he jumps over Davis, not a cardinal. Nothing he did was a personal foul
After he jumped over, he grabbed the facemask of one of the ARI players and yanked it (easier to see from the side angle that the broadcast showed). That's what got him the flag.
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Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by JoeBart324:
Originally posted by BleedsRedNGold:
Kap just had a bad game. This is an anomaly. All of his INTS were correct, easy reads but bad throws.

He must have had a head cold or something. That's the only explanation.

Biggest problem is the defense.

The defense is what really scares me now. This is consecutive games where the opposing offense has essentially passed at will. And those weren't just dink and dunk passes. The defense is giving up huge chunk plays consistently. That is scary stuff.

So this. Not worried about the offense at all because there were definitely openings. Kap just played terrible. The defense...I just don't see Mangini beating good QB's.

The good news is that there are not very many good QB's in the league until the playoffs. The bad new is that they will all be in the playoffs.

Same here. Kap had a bad game but we've seen him play much better. One game doesn't erase everything I've seen from him. Mangini has had one good game versus young Bridgewater, then gets lit up twice by vet QBs. That's much more worrisome to me.
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Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by sacniner:
It almost looks like he did the initial pump fake here because the nose tackle took away his throwing lane... thl408?
Here's the view of him pump faking. It does look like the NT is in the passing lane, but it also seems like he is far enough for Kap to get the throw over his head. The NT is also moving to his right which is away from the passing lane. I don't think Kap should be spooked about that NT, but it's hard to tell from the view we have available.

He didn't throw it because Torrey Smith was a step ahead of Kap in reading the defense. Kap was looking for Torrey on the drag but Torrey stopped to keep HoneyBadger honest. Torrey should have finished his route. This could have forced that S to stay on Torrey and allow Kap the time to move and throw over to Boldin.

Torrey is not running a drag route so he did finish his route. It's the Sucker concept so Torrey is running an In route. Torrey isn't the WR open anyways.
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by sacniner:
It almost looks like he did the initial pump fake here because the nose tackle took away his throwing lane... thl408?
Here's the view of him pump faking. It does look like the NT is in the passing lane, but it also seems like he is far enough for Kap to get the throw over his head. The NT is also moving to his right which is away from the passing lane. I don't think Kap should be spooked about that NT, but it's hard to tell from the view we have available.

He didn't throw it because Torrey Smith was a step ahead of Kap in reading the defense. Kap was looking for Torrey on the drag but Torrey stopped to keep HoneyBadger honest. Torrey should have finished his route. This could have forced that S to stay on Torrey and allow Kap the time to move and throw over to Boldin.

Torrey is not running a drag route so he did finish his route. It's the Sucker concept so Torrey is running an In route. Torrey isn't the WR open anyways.

In that case, face palm to Kap. Here's to hoping he comes back strong and is ready for a shootout with Rodgers. Boy, Kap's release is going to look so slow after seeing Rodgers throw in the same game.
Originally posted by thl408:
Going back a bit. Here is the first pick6.

Notice the hop step that gets his left foot out of position.


Easy pickings. If Kap throws this as soon as his drop back is completed, the pass is thrown with anticipation (before VD breaks), and with velocity, because Kap can step into his throw.
This here just shows and crystallizes just how bad the right side of our line is. I coach (and scout), and an elementary principal of pass blocking is that you always protect your inside gap 1st. As a center you NEVER travel outside your own base. That is pass blocking 101, at any level of football Martin should have passed off the 0 tech. to Devey and picked up 93, while Hyde picks up the blitzing LB (51). This double A gap "game stunt" is ran at elementary levels and should have been picked up. Keap ha no chance, and Hyde simply got overwhelmed. It didn't matter who he picked up that play was doomed. Furthermore, while Pears does pick up the blitzing CB his drop step is just horrible. I've seen this so much of him during preseason and in all three games we've played, which baffles me as to why this hasn't been corrected, or why he hasn't been replaced as it is a consistent failing of his. From what I've watched of Trent Brown (and Boone) his footwork and dropstep is much better.

If changes aren't made at the right side of our line for game 4, if Jimmie T. takes a "stay the course" approach, we're gonna have no real chance of competing this season and we might as well take our comments over to the Draft War Room to pontificate about next season.
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Originally posted by Joecool:
In that case, face palm to Kap. Here's to hoping he comes back strong and is ready for a shootout with Rodgers. Boy, Kap's release is going to look so slow after seeing Rodgers throw in the same game.

Yeah. In all 4 INTs, it's Kap throwing late, inaccurate, or both. They were all the correct reads. He never threw into double coverage. He always targeted a WR that was open at one point during the play. It's just by the time he got to targeting the player, the window closed.
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Here is Kap executing the Sucker concept.
Cut up by jonnydel:
http://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/niners/179704-cards-week-coaches-film-analysis/page4/#post60

He's not facing the same coverage, but the point is he's done this before. A number of times. He just threw it too late this last week.



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From the Concepts thread: Sucker to Kap's right
So, here's what I'm seeing:

- OL problems are obvious
- Kap was totally off this game for whatever reason, and on concepts he's done fine on before. Hopefully just an anomaly.
- Defense is playing undisciplined / confused. I gotta think it's because of the combination of new players / new scheme / lack of pass rush. Coaches can help this out by reverting to some of the previous scheme from the last few years (pattern matching), but really if the execution was even half as poor they'd be doing a lot better. Pass rush is a talent concern, though, but we all knew that.

Honestly, a lot of this is very fixable with time (players knowing the schemes, getting more talent on OL/DL post-season). Whether this fan base has the patience for that is another matter. (Spoilers: It doesn't)
[ Edited by captveg on Oct 1, 2015 at 11:34 AM ]
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by JoeBart324:
Originally posted by BleedsRedNGold:
Kap just had a bad game. This is an anomaly. All of his INTS were correct, easy reads but bad throws.

He must have had a head cold or something. That's the only explanation.

Biggest problem is the defense.

The defense is what really scares me now. This is consecutive games where the opposing offense has essentially passed at will. And those weren't just dink and dunk passes. The defense is giving up huge chunk plays consistently. That is scary stuff.

So this. Not worried about the offense at all because there were definitely openings. Kap just played terrible. The defense...I just don't see Mangini beating good QB's.

The good news is that there are not very many good QB's in the league until the playoffs. The bad new is that they will all be in the playoffs.

Same here. Kap had a bad game but we've seen him play much better. One game doesn't erase everything I've seen from him. Mangini has had one good game versus young Bridgewater, then gets lit up twice by vet QBs. That's much more worrisome to me.

I have a random question for you.

If you could fix one of our "troublesome" positions, which would help the most?

Whether it be cb, rg, rt, c, olb, de, mlb, or the mangina's scheme.
Originally posted by philosoraptor:
I have a random question for you.

If you could fix one of our "troublesome" positions, which would help the most?

Whether it be cb, rg, rt, c, olb, de, mlb, or the mangina's scheme.

I wasn't asked, but right now I'd go with:

Offense: C
Defense: OLB
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