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Originally posted by captveg:
Originally posted by philosoraptor:
I have a random question for you.
If you could fix one of our "troublesome" positions, which would help the most?
Whether it be cb, rg, rt, c, olb, de, mlb, or the mangina's scheme.
I wasn't asked, but right now I'd go with:
Offense: C
Defense: OLB
Originally posted by thl408:Going back a bit. Here is the first pick6.
This is a pick a side play that puts in beaters to the two coverages Kap sees the most.
Left side: Cover3 beater. If this was cover3, the orange drag route pulls the underneath defenders towards the middle of the field to get a throwing lane for the red Curl. The red Curl (Torrey) pushes the deep 1/3 back, then curls.
Right side: Cover1 beater (Fade/Out concept). The 49ers have executed this combination many times versus ARI. If I know it, ARI knows it. To come out of the gate, on the first '3rd and pass it' situation and call this concept is a bit arrogant. Come on Geep, you don't think ARi studies and knows what has worked against them?
versus Cover 1 blitz
Kap takes the snap and properly looks to his right towards the fade/out. In this pic, he has completed his dropback, but for whatever reason, doesn't want to pull the trigger. When Kap sees the CB's back turned to the play (Patton's CB), that should tell Kap that the area along the sideline is open for targeting.
Kap takes a slight shuffle step, then decides to throw, by then it's too late. With VD running an Out pattern, not his specialty because any route consisting of a 90 degree cut is not VD's specialty, the DB breaks on the route.
To the endzone camera to see why the throw had little velocity. Triple A gap blitz. The NT slants to Martin's right shoulder to create space. Two defenders (red, yellow) fill the space.
This is Kap with his dropback completed. His footwork is good and he is in a throwing position. He's looking right at VD. Hyde is facing a 2v1. If Kap starts his throwing motion now, he should release the ball in time. At this moment in time, the DB over the top of VD is still in his backpeddle (not shown).
Instead, Kap takes a slight shuffle step to get his front foot out of position. He moves that front foot (left) towards the middle of the field, away from where VD is. A QB wants to point his toes towards where he throws. This shuffle step is counter productive.
Notice the hop step that gets his left foot out of position.
Easy pickings. If Kap throws this as soon as his drop back is completed, the pass is thrown with anticipation (before VD breaks), and with velocity, because Kap can step into his throw.
Originally posted by philosoraptor:
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by JoeBart324:
Originally posted by BleedsRedNGold:
Kap just had a bad game. This is an anomaly. All of his INTS were correct, easy reads but bad throws.
He must have had a head cold or something. That's the only explanation.
Biggest problem is the defense.
The defense is what really scares me now. This is consecutive games where the opposing offense has essentially passed at will. And those weren't just dink and dunk passes. The defense is giving up huge chunk plays consistently. That is scary stuff.
So this. Not worried about the offense at all because there were definitely openings. Kap just played terrible. The defense...I just don't see Mangini beating good QB's.
The good news is that there are not very many good QB's in the league until the playoffs. The bad new is that they will all be in the playoffs.
Same here. Kap had a bad game but we've seen him play much better. One game doesn't erase everything I've seen from him. Mangini has had one good game versus young Bridgewater, then gets lit up twice by vet QBs. That's much more worrisome to me.
I have a random question for you.
If you could fix one of our "troublesome" positions, which would help the most?
Whether it be cb, rg, rt, c, olb, de, mlb, or the mangina's scheme.
Originally posted by captveg:
Originally posted by philosoraptor:
I have a random question for you.
If you could fix one of our "troublesome" positions, which would help the most?
Whether it be cb, rg, rt, c, olb, de, mlb, or the mangina's scheme.
I wasn't asked, but right now I'd go with:
Offense: C
Defense: OLB
Originally posted by thl408:For player position, I will go with OLB. If there was an OLB that could put on a good pass rush, that really helps the pass defense. I have not watched Lynch closely, but it's obvious he isn't getting it done. If Manigni isn't going to change his scheme of being a predominantly zone defense, then a 4 man pass rush is the biggest missing ingredient.
Originally posted by thl408:For player position, I will go with OLB. If there was an OLB that could put on a good pass rush, that really helps the pass defense. I have not watched Lynch closely, but it's obvious he isn't getting it done. If Manigni isn't going to change his scheme of being a predominantly zone defense, then a 4 man pass rush is the biggest missing ingredient.
Originally posted by PowderdToastMn:
Originally posted by thl408:
For player position, I will go with OLB. If there was an OLB that could put on a good pass rush, that really helps the pass defense. I have not watched Lynch closely, but it's obvious he isn't getting it done. If Manigni isn't going to change his scheme of being a predominantly zone defense, then a 4 man pass rush is the biggest missing ingredient.
Agreed. This is why I think the two biggest losses in the offseason both happened after the draft. Anthony Davis and Aldon Smith. Unfortunately, For Baalke, you can't prep for those things.
He tried to prep for Smith by adjusting his contract, and drafting some mid-round LBs, but so far, it hasn't worked like we would hope.
Davis, on the other hand, you don't expect a guy to sign a huge contract extension and then quit.
Originally posted by Joecool:
I would like to see an analysis of the DL and what there responsibilities appear to be. Reason why I'm asking is because Aldon Smith has 0 sacks. Why do we want back a player who does not have a sack but appeared to be in the best shape of his career? Just wonder why does he have 0 sacks? Is it more scheme than anything? Fangio's DL did a lot of coordination with the Tackle/End combos whereas it doesn't seem like we are doing that anymore.
One thing is for sure, the talent on this D-Line is getting wasted. Did you notice ARI could not run on us early in the game?
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by PowderdToastMn:
Originally posted by thl408:
For player position, I will go with OLB. If there was an OLB that could put on a good pass rush, that really helps the pass defense. I have not watched Lynch closely, but it's obvious he isn't getting it done. If Manigni isn't going to change his scheme of being a predominantly zone defense, then a 4 man pass rush is the biggest missing ingredient.
Agreed. This is why I think the two biggest losses in the offseason both happened after the draft. Anthony Davis and Aldon Smith. Unfortunately, For Baalke, you can't prep for those things.
He tried to prep for Smith by adjusting his contract, and drafting some mid-round LBs, but so far, it hasn't worked like we would hope.
Davis, on the other hand, you don't expect a guy to sign a huge contract extension and then quit.
Yup. OLB, RT & C would be mine. I'd probably look to FA for the OL help though now esp. with the money we have. We have GOT to shore up that OL so we can use our skill players. OLB...Baalke seems to have a keen eye for pass rushers so we'll have to watch Harold closely. He needs time to develop so we shall see. But right now, the scheme isn't exactly garnering a number of snaps for OLB pass rushing...only 60% of the time and of that 60%, who knows if they are actually assigned to rush but rather, edge seal and run defend. So maybe, 1/3 of the time, our OLB pass rushers are actually pass rushing?
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by PowderdToastMn:
Originally posted by thl408:
For player position, I will go with OLB. If there was an OLB that could put on a good pass rush, that really helps the pass defense. I have not watched Lynch closely, but it's obvious he isn't getting it done. If Manigni isn't going to change his scheme of being a predominantly zone defense, then a 4 man pass rush is the biggest missing ingredient.
Agreed. This is why I think the two biggest losses in the offseason both happened after the draft. Anthony Davis and Aldon Smith. Unfortunately, For Baalke, you can't prep for those things.
He tried to prep for Smith by adjusting his contract, and drafting some mid-round LBs, but so far, it hasn't worked like we would hope.
Davis, on the other hand, you don't expect a guy to sign a huge contract extension and then quit.
Yup. OLB, RT & C would be mine. I'd probably look to FA for the OL help though now esp. with the money we have. We have GOT to shore up that OL so we can use our skill players. OLB...Baalke seems to have a keen eye for pass rushers so we'll have to watch Harold closely. He needs time to develop so we shall see. But right now, the scheme isn't exactly garnering a number of snaps for OLB pass rushing...only 60% of the time and of that 60%, who knows if they are actually assigned to rush but rather, edge seal and run defend. So maybe, 1/3 of the time, our OLB pass rushers are actually pass rushing?
That was interesting the stat about how OLBs aren't pass rushing as much as past seasons. Forgot if that was in this thread or the Mangini thread. I'm pretty sure the reason for that is disguise. Remember in the preseason we got excited about "who is the 4th rusher? Is it Bow? a Safety? a CB?". That's carrying over into the regular season. Mangini doesn't want to blitz all the time so he's dialing up funky 4 man rushes by bringing an ILB and dropping an OLB into coverage. Hoping to confuse the pass pro. That's what is causing that stat of, "OLBs are dropping into coverage more than past seasons".
That's how you turn a strength into a mismatch for the opposition and an easy one to recognize for ANY QB right at the LOS. Originally posted by NCommand:
Without a doubt it's for disguise. For sure. And I'm sure we certainly get that idea but this is pretty extreme. 40% of the time your two best pass rushers are in coverage? And not zone coverage like with Fangio...but man coverage on speedy slot WR's and studs like Fitzgerald.
This is from MB:
* Why doesn't Ahmad Brooks, the team's top pass rusher, have a sack yet? One reason is that he and fellow outside linebacker Aaron Lynch are being sent into coverage more than in previous seasons. Brooks even was assigned to cover Cardinals wide receiver Larry Fitzgerald -- he ranks 20th on the NFL's all-time receiving list -- on Sunday. The not-surprising result: Fitzgerald had an easy 14-yard catch and run and picked up a first down.
According to Pro Football Focus, the 49ers' starting outside linebackers have been in coverage on about 40 percent of pass plays this year. Last season it was closer to 15-20 percent.
More than that, they are being asked to play man-to-man coverage whereas in previous seasons they merely dropped into a zone. Brooks and Lynch both are in the 265-pound range. They are built for short, powerful bursts of energy up field not for trailing wideouts down field.
Over the last two games, there's been a sense that the 49ers' defense has been outsmarting itself. Perhaps the best plan against Rodgers is to simplify: Have Brooks and Lynch rush the passer and have the safeties in coverage to guard against the big plays that have gutted the 49ers the last two weeks.
Read more here: http://www.sacbee.com/sports/nfl/san-francisco-49ers/article37194435.html#storylink=cpy
If we could only find that balance of some actual jam press, press, off coverages (pattern matching), using the OLB's the majority of the time to pass rush and do their usual SAM and WILL jobs while sprinkling in some Mangini disguises, this could be a top 5 defense again! What happened to the 4 safeties? Smart personnel matchups (like Reaser on the Browns?),
But...
Originally posted by thl408:
I don't agree with Barrows' that the OLBs are in man coverage. They are in zone most of the time, easily. The 49ers this season have played more zone coverage than at any time in the past seasons under Fangio. All the plays I've cut up where large chunk gains occurred have been versus zone coverage except for the one where John Brown burned Brock.
Even the play where Wilhoite was "covering" Wheaton (PIT) downfield. That was zone coverage. It just looked like man coverage because Wilhoite was the only defender close to Wheaton. I"m not sure why Barrows said the OLBs are in man coverage, but he's incorrect.
Originally posted by thl408:
Agreed. As bad as Devey and Pears have been. Right up the middle is a bad area to get pass rush pressure.
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by thl408:
I don't agree with Barrows' that the OLBs are in man coverage. They are in zone most of the time, easily. The 49ers this season have played more zone coverage than at any time in the past seasons under Fangio. All the plays I've cut up where large chunk gains occurred have been versus zone coverage except for the one where John Brown burned Brock.
Even the play where Wilhoite was "covering" Wheaton (PIT) downfield. That was zone coverage. It just looked like man coverage because Wilhoite was the only defender close to Wheaton. I"m not sure why Barrows said the OLBs are in man coverage, but he's incorrect.
Interesting! Probably b/c he sees them lined up over them at the LOS and follows the play only so far...isn't seeing the second half where the rest of the zone presents itself? I think under Fangio, the OLB instantly dropped into a zone and just covered an area vs. lining right up over a receiver (and essentially, doing the same thing)?
