Week 3 Arizona Cardinals coaches film analysis

Originally posted by xberesx:
About our pass rush, I dont think we miss Aldon the most. I think its Justin Smith that used to take on 2 blockers and still push them back.I also dont think the talents of even an injured Willis and Borland cant be easily replaced. That combined with the bad scheming and this is what we have. One last thing, the last 4 or 5 seasons I can always remember us having really good tackling. The guys would all find their way to the ball. Now it seems like some of them are down right shying away from contact.

Dial and AA/Dorsey seem to be doing a quality job at the DE spot. The issue seems more that we're not rushing the OLB's behind them...we're bringing an ILB, S or CB. Those guys aren't as instinctual at pass rushing as Brooks/Lynch would be.

Originally posted by SofaKing:
Mangini's defense could work to some degree if we had a pass rush, and if the coverage was a little tighter making those gaps in between the zones smaller. I think he expected to be able to sit back in zone, and when his scheme generated pressure, be in a better position to make a play on the ball. None of that is happening, and that's why we've been shredded the past 2 weeks.

Mangini has to recognize this is not working and make the necessary adjustments. No more dropping back his OLBs 50% of the time, they need to rush the passer. If coverage is his priority, use more Tartt and Ward in sub-packages. DO NOT trot base defense out there expecting to cover 3 and 4 WRs, this is stupid. And stop rushing 3 so goddamn much, our pass rush is already struggling as it is. His entire approach is a joke.

For sure! And for the love of God, if he is going to walk Brooks, Lynch, Ward, Brock, Acker, etc. up tight at the LOS...actually jam the sh!t out of them or at least redirect them and make life somewhat difficult before you're instantly in trail-mode.

Thanks for your work TH1408 I am really afraid to see Packer receivers wide open. Hopefully Mangini is better than hat we've seen thus far.

Randall Cobb is going to eat us alive over the middle......... I DM'd Matt Barrows in regards to pattern-match principles Mangini simply is not incorporating in his defense.......

Originally posted by defenderDX:
Randall Cobb is going to eat us alive over the middle......... I DM'd Matt Barrows in regards to pattern-match principles Mangini simply is not incorporating in his defense.......

nah man Brooks and Lynch will shut him down.

After rewatching the game today, man were there so many open receiver along with Hyde getting good gains.

Chalk it up to a once in a lifetime game by Kap but our offense will need to help the D out while they are learning.

Originally posted by Luckycharms:
Fangio did drop his OLB's in coverage some, but it was usually just Brooks. Brooks dropped in coverage something like 30%, but Aldon and Lynch were about 9% under Fangio which is smart since Aldon and lunch are the better pass rushers.

So far this season under Mangini, Brooks has dropped into coverage 47% on passing downs and Lynch 36%. The other alarming stat to me that I really HATE is the amount of times Mangini rushes 3 or less. Against Arizona he rushed 3 or less (1 times he rushed 2) 8 times! That's about 25-30% of the pass attempts! And most of the time we are in base coverage and its Dial, Williams, and Dorsey rushing and they are our worst pass rushing lineman. It's absolutely maddening! You can't let a savvy receiver like Fitz and a veteran qb like Palmer sit back for 6 seconds to find a spot in your zone cus your only rushing 3 and its 3 DL who specialize in stopping the run!

Imho, if u want to sell a blitz as good as possible, your favored rushers have to fall back into zone or man more regularly than not. Otherwise, the NFL would know quite fast who the 4th and/or 5th rusher will be.
Last season, iirc, Lynch was a rusher most of the time and the opponents knew that at some point. Now, Mangini wants to see him dropping more, imho because of this problem. One of the advantages of the 3-4 defense is based on the disguise of the 4th rusher; however, this advantage disappers if the opponent got the clue right here.

Just my two cents.

Originally posted by SofaKing:

Originally posted by thl408:

Okay cool. I agree if Lewis was with LeBeau then he has been in a pattern match scheme. I am about to email Matt Barrows to ask him to ask Mangini why he isn't pattern matching.

Great idea. I'd love to hear that question asked in the presser.

Why doesn't the media ask more technical questions? I understand not tipping future plans but dissecting the past should be open game.

The thing that makes me mad is the fact that we could still have Fangio in the building. Tomsula wasn't an ideal pick as an HC, so we might as well have kept Fangio has the HC,and made Tomsula the DC. With the players we have our defense would be $$$, if we ran our scheme from last year with a few mew wrinkles.If we want to be a run first team you gotta have a tough defense first.

With that being said... not everything Mangini is doing is trash. He was some horrible ideas. But he also has some concepts that could produce big plays if he got the small stuff right.

Despite the breakdowns and mangini's potato status, our guys have to start winning one on one match ups in critical areas such as our DEs vs their guards/tackles, our LBs vs tackles/TEs, our WRs vs their DBs.

The videos shoe the mistakes but also show our inability as a whole to win individual battles.

Originally posted by fister30:

Why doesn't the media ask more technical questions? I understand not tipping future plans but dissecting the past should be open game.

The probably don't have the technical knowledge.

Originally posted by 24plus25er:
The thing that makes me mad is the fact that we could still have Fangio in the building. Tomsula wasn't an ideal pick as an HC, so we might as well have kept Fangio has the HC,and made Tomsula the DC. With the players we have our defense would be $$$, if we ran our scheme from last year with a few mew wrinkles.If we want to be a run first team you gotta have a tough defense first.

That is not the proper discussion thread.

BTW, we have interviewed Fangio for HC and werent convinced, neither was anyone in the league. Could you guys finally accept this fact please?

Originally posted by communist:

Originally posted by Luckycharms:

Fangio did drop his OLB's in coverage some, but it was usually just Brooks. Brooks dropped in coverage something like 30%, but Aldon and Lynch were about 9% under Fangio which is smart since Aldon and lunch are the better pass rushers.

So far this season under Mangini, Brooks has dropped into coverage 47% on passing downs and Lynch 36%. The other alarming stat to me that I really HATE is the amount of times Mangini rushes 3 or less. Against Arizona he rushed 3 or less (1 times he rushed 2) 8 times! That's about 25-30% of the pass attempts! And most of the time we are in base coverage and its Dial, Williams, and Dorsey rushing and they are our worst pass rushing lineman. It's absolutely maddening! You can't let a savvy receiver like Fitz and a veteran qb like Palmer sit back for 6 seconds to find a spot in your zone cus your only rushing 3 and its 3 DL who specialize in stopping the run!

Imho, if u want to sell a blitz as good as possible, your favored rushers have to fall back into zone or man more regularly than not. Otherwise, the NFL would know quite fast who the 4th and/or 5th rusher will be.
Last season, iirc, Lynch was a rusher most of the time and the opponents knew that at some point. Now, Mangini wants to see him dropping more, imho because of this problem. One of the advantages of the 3-4 defense is based on the disguise of the 4th rusher; however, this advantage disappers if the opponent got the clue right here.

Just my two cents.

I get wanting to disguise your blitz, but Lynch is basically our only good pass rusher, so if you want to drop an OLB then drop Brooks, who is better in coverage anyway. My biggest annoyance is the 3 or fewer man rush. Unless it's a prevent D on a 3rd and 27 then there is no need to only rush 3 anymore in this league, especially against good QB's and especially when the 3 DL rushing are mainly run stoppers!

From what I am gathering here, though the players have played far from perfect, it seems like the poor play is more a result of the position the players have been put in rather than the poor efforts of the players themselves. Is that correct?

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
From what I am gathering here, though the players have played far from perfect, it seems like the poor play is more a result of the position the players have been put in rather than the poor efforts of the players themselves. Is that correct?

no.

absolutely 0 existence of pattern-matching despite every starting DB/LB being exposed to it under Fangio.