Week 3 Arizona Cardinals coaches film analysis

Originally posted by vrabbit:
that looks like a 2 WR formation for the Cards which might explain why we were on base, obviously playing zone coverage otherwise Brock (hopefully) wouldn't be on the side opposite the 2 WR's.

Thanks. I keep hoping we use Tartt in place of a LB more often, but that doesn't seem likely to happen much.

It just feels like teams are beating us to the punch and creating mismatches in obvious ways. How simple is it to simply align 2 WR on the same side of the field against zone and create the WR/LB mismatch. It's just ridiculous.

Originally posted by SofaKing:
Thanks. I keep hoping we use Tartt in place of a LB more often, but that doesn't seem likely to happen much.

It just feels like teams are beating us to the punch and creating mismatches in obvious ways. How simple is it to simply align 2 WR on the same side of the field against zone and create the WR/LB mismatch. It's just ridiculous.

It's extremely simple. I already miss Fangio and Donatell.

Originally posted by thl408:

Mangini needs to have ultra athletic players to pull this off as well as a 4 man pass rush. SEA (2013/2014) will pattern match to avoid any flood concepts from hurting them, but for the most part they play cover3, understand offensive tendencies, and are fast/long, or both at every position on the field - especially those LBs. Plus they have a good 4 man pass rush. This allows them to 'get away' with a simpler coverage scheme.

The only player new to the defense is Acker. And if he's the one holding Mangini back from pattern matching, then start DJohnson who was exposed to it last season. Maybe Mangini is all about the confusion in the front 7 and can't teach anything else on the backend. Maybe Tim Lewis (DB coach) can't teach it so he doesn't. I have no idea the history of Tim Lewis and what coverage schemes he was a part of.

Don't quote me, but I think Tim Lewis background (at least his must sucessful aspect of his career)was as DC for the early '00s steeler (like 2000-04). He had sucessful years with high rated defenses, I think he was carrying forward the zone blitz schemes Pitt was known for under Cowher.

Originally posted by Niners816:
Don't quote me, but I think Tim Lewis background (at least his must sucessful aspect of his career)was as DC for the early '00s steeler (like 2000-04). He had sucessful years with high rated defenses, I think he was carrying forward the zone blitz schemes Pitt was known for under Cowher.

He was DC for the Giants and Steelers on some pretty good defenses. That said, Mangini spent enough time with Belichick that he should know better, not sure why he chose to go with this particular sort of scheme.

Originally posted by Niners816:

I'm gonna say this.....I'm so glad we have these film threads in NT, because the kap, baalke and tomsula thread is almost unreadable. It's nice to just look at cold hard film and see what actually took place.

Well now you know Kaep had time to throw, but he just sucked on Sunday

This is already hard to watch. I know the Kap plays are brutal, but at least he made the right read. It's a small silver lining...I think.

I'm really disappointed in Mangini's D. If its one coach I thought was a good move, it was hiring him as DC.

Originally posted by thl408:
Mangini needs to have ultra athletic players to pull this off as well as a 4 man pass rush. SEA (2013/2014) will pattern match to avoid any flood concepts from hurting them, but for the most part they play cover3, understand offensive tendencies, and are fast/long, or both at every position on the field - especially those LBs. Plus they have a good 4 man pass rush. This allows them to 'get away' with a simpler coverage scheme.

The only player new to the defense is Acker. And if he's the one holding Mangini back from pattern matching, then start DJohnson who was exposed to it last season. Maybe Mangini is all about the confusion in the front 7 and can't teach anything else on the backend. Maybe Tim Lewis (DB coach) can't teach it so he doesn't. I have no idea the history of Tim Lewis and what coverage schemes he was a part of.

Don't know too much about Tim Lewis, but he was the Steelers DB coach for a while under Dick LeBeau, before taking over as the DC himself for a couple seasons. LeBeau would use pattern matching in addition to fire zone blitz. He definitely has been exposed to pattern matching at some point.

What's frustrating is the way the 49ers are getting beat in coverage is why pattern-matching was created in the first place.

Originally posted by thl408:
One more time - Fitz killing zone coverage. Keep in mind this is all in the 1st quarter.

Another three level flood concept to get a vertical stretch.
versus a cover3 shell with 5 underneath zone defenders (3 man pass rush)


You see the coverage start to take shape. cover 3 shell, 5 underneath. Acker is the player to focus on here. He sees red go vertical and should know that Reid is back there to help - don't follow red too far upfield.


Acker gets too much depth. Notice how deep he is compared to the other 4 underneath zone defenders. At this point Palmer is in his throwing motion and Acker should see this, unless he's looking at Fitz. But if Acker does see this, break on the ball. Let's see how many steps it takes Acker to change direction - a measure of a good DB that doesn't take false steps (better seen in the GIF). Also notice Brooks on the 14 yard line (zone defender adjacent to Acker's zone). Brooks is very close to his team mate. There is no reason for two zone defenders to be this close to one another. Spacing is a very important when playing zone.


Palmer doesn't lead Fitz to catch this in full stride. Palmer just throws it to the open grass. It's up to Fitz to get to that open grass. This is how two veterans kill zone coverage. The pass in in between three defenders in the open grass.


Notice Brooks give a shove to Fitz then go too far to the middle of the field. If he stays wider, it's a tougher throw for Palmer. +16 yards

This is just too easy. smh

Originally posted by solidg2000:

Originally posted by Niners816:

I'm gonna say this.....I'm so glad we have these film threads in NT, because the kap, baalke and tomsula thread is almost unreadable. It's nice to just look at cold hard film and see what actually took place.

Well now you know Kaep had time to throw, but he just sucked on Sunday

This is about the only thread that's lacks the constant b***hing and moaning the others have.

I'm pretty much a constant in these threads, I'd imagine 75% of my posts are in film or concept threads.

Originally posted by Niners816:
This is about the only thread that's lacks the constant b***hing and moaning the others have.

I'm pretty much a constant in threads, I'd imagine 75% of my post are in film or concept thread.

+1

I love these threads. Really a breath of fresh air, even when analyzing a bad loss. It helps to get a clear picture of exactly what happened.

Going back a bit. Here is the first pick6.

This is a pick a side play that puts in beaters to the two coverages Kap sees the most.
Left side: Cover3 beater. If this was cover3, the orange drag route pulls the underneath defenders towards the middle of the field to get a throwing lane for the red Curl. The red Curl (Torrey) pushes the deep 1/3 back, then curls.
Right side: Cover1 beater (Fade/Out concept). The 49ers have executed this combination many times versus ARI. If I know it, ARI knows it. To come out of the gate, on the first '3rd and pass it' situation and call this concept is a bit arrogant. Come on Geep, you don't think ARi studies and knows what has worked against them?
versus Cover 1 blitz


Kap takes the snap and properly looks to his right towards the fade/out. In this pic, he has completed his dropback, but for whatever reason, doesn't want to pull the trigger. When Kap sees the CB's back turned to the play (Patton's CB), that should tell Kap that the area along the sideline is open for targeting.


Kap takes a slight shuffle step, then decides to throw, by then it's too late. With VD running an Out pattern, not his specialty because any route consisting of a 90 degree cut is not VD's specialty, the DB breaks on the route.


To the endzone camera to see why the throw had little velocity. Triple A gap blitz. The NT slants to Martin's right shoulder to create space. Two defenders (red, yellow) fill the space.


This is Kap with his dropback completed. His footwork is good and he is in a throwing position. He's looking right at VD. Hyde is facing a 2v1. If Kap starts his throwing motion now, he should release the ball in time. At this moment in time, the DB over the top of VD is still in his backpeddle (not shown).


Instead, Kap takes a slight shuffle step to get his front foot out of position. He moves that front foot (left) towards the middle of the field, away from where VD is. A QB wants to point his toes towards where he throws. This shuffle step is counter productive.


Notice the hop step that gets his left foot out of position.


Easy pickings. If Kap throws this as soon as his drop back is completed, the pass is thrown with anticipation (before VD breaks), and with velocity, because Kap can step into his throw.

This is very informative info as usual. Thanks. But it is very discomforting as I had heard/read that Mangenious was going to have this unit better than ever. WTF is going on? Rodgers is gonna kill this defense. No?

Fade/Out versus ARI in the past. From previous film threads.




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Originally posted by Morgan49:
This is very informative info as usual. Thanks. But it is very discomforting as I had heard/read that Mangenious was going to have this unit better than ever. WTF is going on? Rodgers is gonna kill this defense. No?

it might be death by a thousand paper cuts....