Week 3 Arizona Cardinals coaches film analysis

Originally posted by thl408:
Going back a bit. Here is the first pick6.

This is a pick a side play that puts in beaters to the two coverages Kap sees the most.
Left side: Cover3 beater. If this was cover3, the orange drag route pulls the underneath defenders towards the middle of the field to get a throwing lane for the red Curl. The red Curl (Torrey) pushes the deep 1/3 back, then curls.
Right side: Cover1 beater (Fade/Out concept). The 49ers have executed this combination many times versus ARI. If I know it, ARI knows it. To come out of the gate, on the first '3rd and pass it' situation and call this concept is a bit arrogant. Come on Geep, you don't think ARi studies and knows what has worked against them?
versus Cover 1 blitz


Kap takes the snap and properly looks to his right towards the fade/out. In this pic, he has completed his dropback, but for whatever reason, doesn't want to pull the trigger. When Kap sees the CB's back turned to the play (Patton's CB), that should tell Kap that the area along the sideline is open for targeting.


Kap takes a slight shuffle step, then decides to throw, by then it's too late. With VD running an Out pattern, not his specialty because any route consisting of a 90 degree cut is not VD's specialty, the DB breaks on the route.


To the endzone camera to see why the throw had little velocity. Triple A gap blitz. The NT slants to Martin's right shoulder to create space. Two defenders (red, yellow) fill the space.


This is Kap with his dropback completed. His footwork is good and he is in a throwing position. He's looking right at VD. Hyde is facing a 2v1. If Kap starts his throwing motion now, he should release the ball in time. At this moment in time, the DB over the top of VD is still in his backpeddle (not shown).


Instead, Kap takes a slight shuffle step to get his front foot out of position. He moves that front foot (left) towards the middle of the field, away from where VD is. A QB wants to point his toes towards where he throws. This shuffle step is counter productive.


Notice the hop step that gets his left foot out of position.


Easy pickings. If Kap throws this as soon as his drop back is completed, the pass is thrown with anticipation (before VD breaks), and with velocity, because Kap can step into his throw.

Originally posted by SofaKing:

Originally posted by thl408:
Mangini needs to have ultra athletic players to pull this off as well as a 4 man pass rush. SEA (2013/2014) will pattern match to avoid any flood concepts from hurting them, but for the most part they play cover3, understand offensive tendencies, and are fast/long, or both at every position on the field - especially those LBs. Plus they have a good 4 man pass rush. This allows them to 'get away' with a simpler coverage scheme.

The only player new to the defense is Acker. And if he's the one holding Mangini back from pattern matching, then start DJohnson who was exposed to it last season. Maybe Mangini is all about the confusion in the front 7 and can't teach anything else on the backend. Maybe Tim Lewis (DB coach) can't teach it so he doesn't. I have no idea the history of Tim Lewis and what coverage schemes he was a part of.

Don't know too much about Tim Lewis, but he was the Steelers DB coach for a while under Dick LeBeau, before taking over as the DC himself for a couple seasons. LeBeau would use pattern matching in addition to fire zone blitz. He definitely has been exposed to pattern matching at some point.

Originally posted by Niners816:


Thanks for this screen shot. Watching it live I was think it was almost like a flood with drag, out and fly. Hardly recognized the curl up top on the tv view. My perception he had enormous pressure was based on the views they showed on tv that showed a collapsing pocket.

I also agree with the arrogance of calling that. You know ari knew what was coming and that's why the dbs are screaming at the out route.

Originally posted by thl408:
Okay cool. I agree if Lewis was with LeBeau then he has been in a pattern match scheme. I am about to email Matt Barrows to ask him to ask Mangini why he isn't pattern matching.

Originally posted by socalfan21:
You know, I do wonder what would have happened had Kap not put us in such a big hole. The players probably lost a little something after that 2nd pick six.

Originally posted by SofaKing:
Great idea. I'd love to hear that question asked in the presser.

Originally posted by thl408:

Going back a bit. Here is the first pick6.

This is a pick a side play that puts in beaters to the two coverages Kap sees the most.
Left side: Cover3 beater. If this was cover3, the orange drag route pulls the underneath defenders towards the middle of the field to get a throwing lane for the red Curl. The red Curl (Torrey) pushes the deep 1/3 back, then curls.
Right side: Cover1 beater (Fade/Out concept). The 49ers have executed this combination many times versus ARI. If I know it, ARI knows it. To come out of the gate, on the first '3rd and pass it' situation and call this concept is a bit arrogant. Come on Geep, you don't think ARi studies and knows what has worked against them?
versus Cover 1 blitz


Kap takes the snap and properly looks to his right towards the fade/out. In this pic, he has completed his dropback, but for whatever reason, doesn't want to pull the trigger. When Kap sees the CB's back turned to the play (Patton's CB), that should tell Kap that the area along the sideline is open for targeting.


Kap takes a slight shuffle step, then decides to throw, by then it's too late. With VD running an Out pattern, not his specialty because any route consisting of a 90 degree cut is not VD's specialty, the DB breaks on the route.


To the endzone camera to see why the throw had little velocity. Triple A gap blitz. The NT slants to Martin's right shoulder to create space. Two defenders (red, yellow) fill the space.


This is Kap with his dropback completed. His footwork is good and he is in a throwing position. He's looking right at VD. Hyde is facing a 2v1. If Kap starts his throwing motion now, he should release the ball in time. At this moment in time, the DB over the top of VD is still in his backpeddle (not shown).


Instead, Kap takes a slight shuffle step to get his front foot out of position. He moves that front foot (left) towards the middle of the field, away from where VD is. A QB wants to point his toes towards where he throws. This shuffle step is counter productive.


Notice the hop step that gets his left foot out of position.


Easy pickings. If Kap throws this as soon as his drop back is completed, the pass is thrown with anticipation (before VD breaks), and with velocity, because Kap can step into his throw.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
The media is too busy asking a bunch of potato questions instead.

Originally posted by SofaKing:

Originally posted by thl408:
Okay cool. I agree if Lewis was with LeBeau then he has been in a pattern match scheme. I am about to email Matt Barrows to ask him to ask Mangini why he isn't pattern matching.

Great idea. I'd love to hear that question asked in the presser.

Originally posted by thl408:
Done. Hopefully he asks it. Barrows does ask questions about scheme more than any other reporter. It was him that asked what scheme is Tomsula going to run, which ended with Baalke saying, "we are going to run the ball".

Originally posted by vrabbit:

Originally posted by socalfan21:
You know, I do wonder what would have happened had Kap not put us in such a big hole. The players probably lost a little something after that 2nd pick six.

still would had lost, defense got burned all day long and I'm not buying that they lost a little something after the 2nd pick6 (and if they did that's unacceptable anyways)

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by SofaKing:

Originally posted by thl408:
Okay cool. I agree if Lewis was with LeBeau then he has been in a pattern match scheme. I am about to email Matt Barrows to ask him to ask Mangini why he isn't pattern matching.

Great idea. I'd love to hear that question asked in the presser.

Done. Hopefully he asks it. Barrows does ask questions about scheme more than any other reporter. It was him that asked what scheme is Tomsula going to run, which ended with Baalke saying, "we are going to run the ball".

Originally posted by SofaKing:

Originally posted by Niners816:


Thanks for this screen shot. Watching it live I was think it was almost like a flood with drag, out and fly. Hardly recognized the curl up top on the tv view. My perception he had enormous pressure was based on the views they showed on tv that showed a collapsing pocket.

I also agree with the arrogance of calling that. You know ari knew what was coming and that's why the dbs are screaming at the out route.

Not a clever call, but still could be a completed pass if Kap releases the ball on time. When he hits that back foot, the ball has to come out. That was the difference between a completion/incompletion, and a pick 6.