Week 3 Arizona Cardinals coaches film analysis

Originally posted by SofaKing:

Originally posted by vrabbit:

Originally posted by socalfan21:

You know, I do wonder what would have happened had Kap not put us in such a big hole. The players probably lost a little something after that 2nd pick six.

still would had lost, defense got burned all day long and I'm not buying that they lost a little something after the 2nd pick6 (and if they did that's unacceptable anyways)

Definitely still would have lost the way the defensive coverage is getting beat, but the offense made the game a complete joke.

4 turnovers (5 if you count the safety) resulted in 26 points for the Cardinals. That's obscene.

This defense is really f**king everything up. It's sad how bad it's performed. The inept offense turned this into a laugher, but if this defense doesn't get sorted out we are gonna need our '89, '92, '94, '98 offenses to win because we will need high 30s to out score the other team.

Originally posted by qnnhan7:
That's the thing I've seen with Kaep. At this stage, he knows enough to know where to go with the ball, but isn't confident enough to trust it. If that makes any sense...He has to sometimes see it and confirmed, to throw the ball.

I understand the hesitation though, inside your own 20, better make sure before making that throw. Sometimes a good CB can smell it out like the Cards did. 20/20 said he should have thrown it early, but that's good vet confidence in the offense, himself, and his receivers for that.

Yup, I've seen the same tendency from him as well.

Throwing on time, precise, with proper footwork is something he has to learn to do. There's no getting around it. That's a pretty routine play, not a bad play call. The throw was there to be made, he was late, pick 6. It can crumble that easily when the timing is off.

Originally posted by Niners816:
This defense is really f**king everything up. It's sad how bad it's performed. The inept offense turned this into a laugher, but if this defense doesn't get sorted out we are gonna need our '89, '92, '94, '98 offenses to win because we will need high 30s to out score the other team.

Yes, I would argue the pass defense has been even worse than our o-line. That's saying something.

Does Matt Barrows reply to your emails?

Here's the second pick 6.

This is 1st & 10, that needs to be mentioned.
I think ARI is in some kind of Quarters coverage based the alignment of the DBs on Torrey and Boldin and the shallow depth of the safeties. Notice the soft cushion on Boldin. Easy yards on the Curl, right?
Sucker concept to Kap's right.


Kap completes the playaction, dropback, and looks to his left towards VD. That's fine, Kap saw the safety on that side of the field playing shallow. If VD can win a good release, there's big play potential. With both defenders playing over the top, Kap will red light VD. To the next read.


Kap looks to the Sucker concept and starts his windup...but he doesn't pull the trigger. Torrey is setting a partial pick.


After the pump fake, Kap finally targets Boldin. Way too late.


Horrible throwing position. The pass rush pressure is on Kap because Kap is late throwing the ball.


Late throw, bad throwing position which leads to the low velocity.


A Curl route is most open when it first curls. Never pump fake to a curl route. The only thing that does is draw attention to the route. Had Kap thrown it when he was pump faking, this isn't a pick6. At worst, Boldin gets hit right as the ball arrives.

Originally posted by thl408:
Okay cool. I agree if Lewis was with LeBeau then he has been in a pattern match scheme. I am about to email Matt Barrows to ask him to ask Mangini why he isn't pattern matching.

please do this and let us all know.

was there no pattern matching at all this game?

Originally posted by braap49er:
Does Matt Barrows reply to your emails?

First time I've ever emailed him. I don't want him to answer my email. I'm hoping he reads it and asks Mangini the question.

Originally posted by thl408:
Done. Hopefully he asks it. Barrows does ask questions about scheme more than any other reporter. It was him that asked what scheme is Tomsula going to run, which ended with Baalke saying, "we are going to run the ball".

which isn't scheme it's philosophy or agenda. and still sickened that Trent was the one asking.

Originally posted by defenderDX:

Originally posted by thl408:
Okay cool. I agree if Lewis was with LeBeau then he has been in a pattern match scheme. I am about to email Matt Barrows to ask him to ask Mangini why he isn't pattern matching.

please do this and let us all know.

was there no pattern matching at all this game?

I did not see any. jonnydel first mentioned this versus MIN. Then we didn't see it in PIT. Either Mangini is saving it for some special occasion, or it's not in the playbook.

I don't know enough about their protections to make definitive statements, and I've never coached beyond the HS level, but Martin chasing the slanting nose like that goes against every basic pass protection fundamental I know. This is not a complicated stunt and it made Martin and Devey look absolutely helpless.

Originally posted by SofaKing:

Originally posted by qnnhan7:

That's the thing I've seen with Kaep. At this stage, he knows enough to know where to go with the ball, but isn't confident enough to trust it. If that makes any sense...He has to sometimes see it and confirmed, to throw the ball.

I understand the hesitation though, inside your own 20, better make sure before making that throw. Sometimes a good CB can smell it out like the Cards did. 20/20 said he should have thrown it early, but that's good vet confidence in the offense, himself, and his receivers for that.

Yup, I've seen the same tendency from him as well.

Throwing on time, precise, with proper footwork is something he has to learn to do. There's no getting around it. That's a pretty routine play, not a bad play call. The throw was there to be made, he was late, pick 6. It can crumble that easily when the timing is off.

THL mention that it's not the best route for VD. In the post additional post, THL shows Kap making the throw and getting good yardage to a WR. If it's out early it's a catch, but you see he is late. I wonder if that's because it's an out route to VD instead of the WR?

Originally posted by thl408:

I did not see any. jonnydel first mentioned this versus MIN. Then we didn't see it in PIT. Either Mangini is saving it for some special occasion, or it's not in the playbook.

That "special occasion" might be saving the DCs job occasion. It's just unbelievable he would go away from it. I mean it's was already there and worked. I know I'm starting to get redundant but it's that dumbfounding to me.

To reset, the two pick 6s made it 14-0. Then the ARI drive that included the play in post#27 made it 21-0.

This is the ensuing 49er drive.
2Q 3rd & 1
Many question(ed) why Boone is at LG and not RT. Tomsula (or some 49er coach) mentioned that they still wanted to run some power (gap blocking) concepts and that was one of the reasons why. they wanted Boone at LG.

Power right
This is the play Iupati made a living off of as he pulled and led through the hole for Gore. Here Boone (yellow) will pull and lead for Hyde. The pull block is important, but more important are the blocks that allow for the pull to happen (red).
The OLmen on the playside can't give up penetration. They must provide a clear lane for Boone to run in a straight line with no obstruction. Boone is not some nimble RB. He must run in a straight line to get across the formation. Boone is to pull across the formation and block the first defender in the hole - blue. Let's focus on Devey's block.


This is Devey's first movement at the snap. He explodes straight up out of his stance. With a DT to his inside, Devey needs to explode in the correct direction. This misstep will play a role in the penetration he gives up.


Boone collides with the DT/Devey and is unable to make it across the formation.


Easier to see Devey's misstep here. There is an unblocked defender in the hole - the guy Boone was supposed to block, but can't because Devey gives up penetration. No gain. Punt.

Originally posted by JamesGatz83:


I don't know enough about their protections to make definitive statements, and I've never coached beyond the HS level, but Martin chasing the slanting nose like that goes against every basic pass protection fundamental I know. This is not a complicated stunt and it made Martin and Devey look absolutely helpless.

I'd love to understand more about pass protection schemes. What should Martin have done here? Push the nose to the side, then disengage and take one of the A gap blitzers? The DL lined up over Devey that loops around does a good job faking the rush, then looping. Devey is dead in the water and can't give chase.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by JamesGatz83:


I don't know enough about their protections to make definitive statements, and I've never coached beyond the HS level, but Martin chasing the slanting nose like that goes against every basic pass protection fundamental I know. This is not a complicated stunt and it made Martin and Devey look absolutely helpless.

I'd love to understand more about pass protection schemes. What should Martin have done here? Push the nose to the side, then disengage and take one of the A gap blitzers? The DL lined up over Devey that loops around does a good job faking the rush, then looping. Devey is dead in the water and can't give chase.

lmao what the hell is Devey doing walking around with his arms extended not blocking anyone..dude looked like Frankenstein on this play.