Week 3 Arizona Cardinals coaches film analysis

Originally posted by SofaKing:

lmao what the hell is Devey doing walking around with his arms extended not blocking anyone..dude looked like Frankenstein on this play.

Looks like he lost his balance.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by JamesGatz83:

I don't know enough about their protections to make definitive statements, and I've never coached beyond the HS level, but Martin chasing the slanting nose like that goes against every basic pass protection fundamental I know. This is not a complicated stunt and it made Martin and Devey look absolutely helpless.

I'd love to understand more about pass protection schemes. What should Martin have done here? Push the nose to the side, then disengage and take one of the A gap blitzers? The DL lined up over Devey that loops around does a good job faking the rush, then looping. Devey is dead in the water and can't give chase.

Basic line blocking goes inside out.
But on the line you identify players and stunts and blitzes.
Fix can be as simple as trust and familiarity.

I can't pretend to say I know more. As my playing was mostly outside at TE and some T.

So to my knowledge, fundamentally, Martin should of passed the DT to Devey and stayed and picked up the DE while Devey passed the DE to Martin and picked up the DT. Leaving Hyde the remaining blitzer

Great read as always. I feel what a lot of posters feared as come true, that Fangio would leave and Mangini would blow the defense up by trying to over complicate things. When you go from a top five defense to the basement... you have to figure the common denominator is the new coach. As far as Kaep goes... bad oline play and too many people telling him how to play the game. Kaep needs to suit up and do him. I swear he would be much better under a coach like Rex Ryan who will let Kaep do what made him great and have a great defense to bail his ass out when he gets too cute. SMH.

Take a look at that second pick. It is obvious Kap forgot what Torrey's role in this play was. After BD, Kap is going through his progressions by the book, left to right in this case. He looks for Torrey second but but Torrey reads it correct and turns his route into trying to get Q open. I wonder who was wrong here? Should Torrey have ran his route through full speed for Kap to make an attempt on Torrey's backside drag or did he do the right thing to set a legal pick and Kap should have bipassed Torrey to go to Q?

Seems as if Kap is forcing his progressions to a fault.

These evals are painful to watch.

Must have been more painful to do them. Thanks thl.

Originally posted by 24plus25er:
Great read as always. I feel what a lot of posters feared as come true, that Fangio would leave and Mangini would blow the defense up by trying to over complicate things. When you go from a top five defense to the basement... you have to figure the common denominator is the new coach. As far as Kaep goes... bad oline play and too many people telling him how to play the game. Kaep needs to suit up and do him. I swear he would be much better under a coach like Rex Ryan who will let Kaep do what made him great and have a great defense to bail his ass out when he gets too cute. SMH.

Don't think anyone here expected the defense to be a top 5 defense after losing almost every pass rusher we have and our two starting corners.

I don't think this defense was a top 5 defense last year either. 5th in total yardage and 10th in scoring average, but historically our defensive ranks have been inflated by our slow-paced offense (less plays in a game for both teams = less points and yards). We were 7th in rushing yards allowed and 11th in defensive rushing YPA. We were 5th in passing yards against and 4th in passer rating against, but 21st in number of sacks and our pass rush and secondary got worse.

As a fan, it's easier to think that we're one piece away (QB) or a coaching staff away from being competitive, but our team has tons of holes that won't easily be filled. We have one of the less talented defenses in the NFL and no coaching staff is going to hide that.

Originally posted by JDMathews49ers:

Originally posted by SofaKing:

Originally posted by qnnhan7:

That's the thing I've seen with Kaep. At this stage, he knows enough to know where to go with the ball, but isn't confident enough to trust it. If that makes any sense...He has to sometimes see it and confirmed, to throw the ball.

I understand the hesitation though, inside your own 20, better make sure before making that throw. Sometimes a good CB can smell it out like the Cards did. 20/20 said he should have thrown it early, but that's good vet confidence in the offense, himself, and his receivers for that.

Yup, I've seen the same tendency from him as well.

Throwing on time, precise, with proper footwork is something he has to learn to do. There's no getting around it. That's a pretty routine play, not a bad play call. The throw was there to be made, he was late, pick 6. It can crumble that easily when the timing is off.

THL mention that it's not the best route for VD. In the post additional post, THL shows Kap making the throw and getting good yardage to a WR. If it's out early it's a catch, but you see he is late. I wonder if that's because it's an out route to VD instead of the WR?

No, VD has tremendous straight line speed. Which is his greatest strength. While the out pattern isn't his bread and butter, he ran a crisp route. He was open. Just like Boldins curl, as soon as that cut foot is planted, the ball should be thrown. It's a timing route. Every WR/TE/RB/FB know that as soon as you plant that cut foot you turn and look for the ball because it should already be on the way.

I just want to thank the people who take the time to dissect & post these plays, and the intelligent football discourse it fosters...which is lacking in almost all other threads, and in every other corner of the Internet. I don't post a lot, but I read everything, and have been for over a decade.

Thanks again, and keep up the good work.

Great breakdowns. Just painful to watch the offense & defense. They both looked very slow & plodding & was reacting way to much instead of being aggressive & initiating things on the field like we were in week 1.

This is another concept kap usually does pretty good with. If memory serves me he had a long TD to crabs in the Giants game last year on this exact concept. This is one of two looks you are looking for and he just blew it. It's almost like he was not believing what he was seeing. It's hard to explain, he doesn't butcher stuff like this, this bad all the time. I think that first pick six rattled him and he never bounced back. I think the overall poor play of the OL thus far has him feeling pressure that's not always there. He is much better than what he put on film in this game.

Some visual evidence of performing the sucker concept(hit the other option on that combo). Same giant game different play.

Thl's gif

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by SofaKing:

lmao what the hell is Devey doing walking around with his arms extended not blocking anyone..dude looked like Frankenstein on this play.

Looks like he lost his balance.

Looks like a backup OG on 30 other teams.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by defenderDX:

Originally posted by thl408:

Okay cool. I agree if Lewis was with LeBeau then he has been in a pattern match scheme. I am about to email Matt Barrows to ask him to ask Mangini why he isn't pattern matching.

please do this and let us all know.

was there no pattern matching at all this game?

I did not see any. jonnydel first mentioned this versus MIN. Then we didn't see it in PIT. Either Mangini is saving it for some special occasion, or it's not in the playbook.

Why have they gone away from the blitz the last 2 weeks? Later in the AZ game we started bringing pressure, and it disrupted their passing game. Palmer is an old statue back there. Make him move around.

Originally posted by ltrain:
Looks like a backup OG on 30 other teams.

I think you're overrating quite a few OL's across the league. Watching various games, one constant I've seen is a lot bad OL play. Not sure if guys are less prepared coming out of college or if good OL coaches are far and few between but I don't know if I remember it being this bad leaguewide before.

Originally posted by thl408:

Okay cool. I agree if Lewis was with LeBeau then he has been in a pattern match scheme. I am about to email Matt Barrows to ask him to ask Mangini why he isn't pattern matching.

I messaged him on istagram earlier today to do the same thing, maybe if some of us do it, the question will get asked and we can get an answer

Originally posted by Niners99:
Why have they gone away from the blitz the last 2 weeks? Later in the AZ game we started bringing pressure, and it disrupted their passing game. Palmer is an old statue back there. Make him move around.

They tried, they have been trying, they've gotten bottled up quite a bit. The Steelers went max protect a lot, the Cards did a good job of blocking as well.