week 4 Green Bay Packers, coaching film analysis thread

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by VinculumJuris:

Thanks. Hard to draw any conclusions from that. I was thinking that, if McDonald was alone on that side of the field and Kap was looking over there as if to pass, it would be clear that those two were on the same page (placing culpability for the sack on Pears). With another receiving option on the right side, there's no telling what went wrong / who was confused (like Jonny said).

Yeah I showed the presnap stuff to illustrate what jonny was talking about in his breakdown. You go here, you go there, now no one knows what to do. What happened was GB disguised their blitz well (cover0, 6 rushers) and the 49ers sent out 5 routes (no additional blockers). This results in one free rusher.

I think McDonald f**ked up the formation and kap point him to the right spot. Because based on the gif, they ran shallow cross and usually you have the curl over center coming from te opposite direction of the drag.

In the Vikings film thread, we discussed how Kap didn't quite have a comfort level with Torrey when he didn't target Torrey on a "stop9" route.
This is where Torrey is facing press alignement in a 1v1 backside situation, gets an outside release, pushes hard upfield, then stops in his tracks for a throw similar to a back shoulder throw. With CBs fearing getting beat deep, it's easy to get the CB running hard upfield, then not being able to react quickly enough when Torrey comes to a stop.

http://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/niners/183197-minnesota-vikings-week-coaches-film-analysis/page3/#post34
Here is the play versus MIN where Kap looks at Torrey but doesn't pull the trigger. Also included are eaxmplaes of Flacco throwing the Stop9 because Flacco had that trust that Torrey can win separation before there is actual separation.

We finally see the Stop9 completed in this game. It's called a 'stop-9' because a '9 route' is a Go route. Probably should be called a '9-stop', but I'm using John Harbaugh's lingo.

http://espn.go.com/blog/san-francisco-49ers/post/_/id/12857/john-harbaugh-sings-torrey-smiths-praises
"When he can run comebacks and stop-9's and in-breaking routes off that deep vertical stem," Harbaugh said, "he can get open that way, too."

Torrey facing press alignment 1v1 on the backside.


Win the outside release, push hard upfield to get the CBs hips to turn upfield, then come to a stop.


+7 yards

Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by VinculumJuris:
Thanks. Hard to draw any conclusions from that. I was thinking that, if McDonald was alone on that side of the field and Kap was looking over there as if to pass, it would be clear that those two were on the same page (placing culpability for the sack on Pears). With another receiving option on the right side, there's no telling what went wrong / who was confused (like Jonny said).

Yeah I showed the presnap stuff to illustrate what jonny was talking about in his breakdown. You go here, you go there, now no one knows what to do. What happened was GB disguised their blitz well (cover0, 6 rushers) and the 49ers sent out 5 routes (no additional blockers). This results in one free rusher.

I think McDonald f**ked up the formation and kap point him to the right spot. Because based on the gif, they ran shallow cross and usually you have the curl over center coming from te opposite direction of the drag.

The pre-snap motion is one thing, but I was trying to figure out if:

A) Vance forgot that he was supposed to stay in to block the pass rush off the edge
B) Kap failed to tell Vance that he was supposed to stay in to block the pass rush off the edge
or
C) Pears misunderstood the blocking assignment and thought he had Vance's help on the edge

If Vance was alone on the right side, I think we could rule out A and B (since Kap is looking there as if to pass and Vance is running a route). That would have left C as the explanation. With another target on that side of the field, ruling out A or B is guesswork.

Originally posted by dj43:
Your comment about the DBs needing better ball skills when the ball is in the air reminds me of a comment by Eric Davis from his days as a 49er DB.

Prior to a Dallas game during the hay day of Michael Irvin, Davis was asked if he was concerned about going up against Aikman and Irvin. His answer was, "Not at all. I have to go against Young and Rice everyday in practice."

My point in bringing this up is that perhaps a reason that the DBs are not better is that the passing attack they see in practice is not much of a challenge to them. That may sound like piling on about the failure of the passing attack but from what I see in games, it may be a piece of the problem.

Ha sounds like piling on :)

Originally posted by VinculumJuris:

Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by VinculumJuris:
Thanks. Hard to draw any conclusions from that. I was thinking that, if McDonald was alone on that side of the field and Kap was looking over there as if to pass, it would be clear that those two were on the same page (placing culpability for the sack on Pears). With another receiving option on the right side, there's no telling what went wrong / who was confused (like Jonny said).

Yeah I showed the presnap stuff to illustrate what jonny was talking about in his breakdown. You go here, you go there, now no one knows what to do. What happened was GB disguised their blitz well (cover0, 6 rushers) and the 49ers sent out 5 routes (no additional blockers). This results in one free rusher.

I think McDonald f**ked up the formation and kap point him to the right spot. Because based on the gif, they ran shallow cross and usually you have the curl over center coming from te opposite direction of the drag.

The pre-snap motion is one thing, but I was trying to figure out if:

A) Vance forgot that he was supposed to stay in to block the pass rush off the edge
B) Kap failed to tell Vance that he was supposed to stay in to block the pass rush off the edge
or
C) Pears misunderstood the blocking assignment and thought he had Vance's help on the edge

If Vance was alone on the right side, I think we could rule out A and B (since Kap is looking there as if to pass and Vance is running a route). That would have left C as the explanation. With another target on that side of the field, ruling out A or B is guesswork.

There's also D) No one saw a blitz coming to make a protection audible. Somewhat related to B) I guess.

Finally, a Fade route completed up the sideline. This is why Torrey is a 49er. I think Kap needs to seriously consider looking backside whenever he gets this look. Torrey 1v1 with no safety help, just chuck it up there. Torrey led the league in drawn pass interference calls. Have to give him a chance.


Torrey is even with the CB.


Torrey's hand fighting is very good, a strength of his. He uses it to gain separation. Kap mid windup.

Notice Torrey use his left arm to swat the CB and get the step.


Well placed on Torrey's outside shoulder.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by VinculumJuris:

Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by VinculumJuris:
Thanks. Hard to draw any conclusions from that. I was thinking that, if McDonald was alone on that side of the field and Kap was looking over there as if to pass, it would be clear that those two were on the same page (placing culpability for the sack on Pears). With another receiving option on the right side, there's no telling what went wrong / who was confused (like Jonny said).

Yeah I showed the presnap stuff to illustrate what jonny was talking about in his breakdown. You go here, you go there, now no one knows what to do. What happened was GB disguised their blitz well (cover0, 6 rushers) and the 49ers sent out 5 routes (no additional blockers). This results in one free rusher.

I think McDonald f**ked up the formation and kap point him to the right spot. Because based on the gif, they ran shallow cross and usually you have the curl over center coming from te opposite direction of the drag.

The pre-snap motion is one thing, but I was trying to figure out if:

A) Vance forgot that he was supposed to stay in to block the pass rush off the edge
B) Kap failed to tell Vance that he was supposed to stay in to block the pass rush off the edge
or
C) Pears misunderstood the blocking assignment and thought he had Vance's help on the edge

If Vance was alone on the right side, I think we could rule out A and B (since Kap is looking there as if to pass and Vance is running a route). That would have left C as the explanation. With another target on that side of the field, ruling out A or B is guesswork.

There's also D) No one saw a blitz coming to make a protection audible. Somewhat related to B) I guess.

Very true. Kap sees something and reacts by making a change, but it's hard to say if he was responding to something he saw in the defense or responding to Vance being out of position. I think D) stands as a possibility of its own.

Originally posted by thl408:
Finally, a Fade route completed up the sideline. This is why Torrey is a 49er. I think Kap needs to seriously consider looking backside whenever he gets this look. Torrey 1v1 with no safety help, just chuck it up there. Torrey led the league in drawn pass interference calls. Have to give him a chance.


Torrey is even with the CB.


Torrey's hand fighting is very good, a strength of his. He uses it to gain separation. Kap mid windup.

Notice Torrey use his left arm to swat the CB and get the step.


Well placed on Torrey's outside shoulder.

Great job by Torry. imo if the pass is thrown 5 yards further its a TD. It's like 5 yards under thrown. Torry slows down and makes a great adjustment on the ball to catch it. Great catch.

Where have the zone blocking misdirection running plays been that they ran in week one? Don't think I saw any in this game.

Why did it take 4 games to figure out we should actually take shots to Torrey?

Originally posted by defenderDX:

Why did it take 4 games to figure out we should actually take shots to Torrey?

The same reason we couldn't figure out Pears sucked before we signed him and the same reason Jim Tomsula is head coach

Originally posted by SoCold:

Originally posted by thl408:
Finally, a Fade route completed up the sideline. This is why Torrey is a 49er. I think Kap needs to seriously consider looking backside whenever he gets this look. Torrey 1v1 with no safety help, just chuck it up there. Torrey led the league in drawn pass interference calls. Have to give him a chance.


Torrey is even with the CB.


Torrey's hand fighting is very good, a strength of his. He uses it to gain separation. Kap mid windup.

Notice Torrey use his left arm to swat the CB and get the step.


Well placed on Torrey's outside shoulder.

Great job by Torry. imo if the pass is thrown 5 yards further its a TD. It's like 5 yards under thrown. Torry slows down and makes a great adjustment on the ball to catch it. Great catch.

that long fade into the endzone to smith i thought was a decent throw as well