week 4 Green Bay Packers, coaching film analysis thread

Originally posted by thl408:
This is the closest thing I've seen, to date this season, the 49ers run a pattern match coverage. I am still unsure, but based on two players - Ward and Reid - I think they are pattern matching.

I didn't draw the routes because it would get messy. Wanted to highlight the defensive players.
Right side: Inverted Smash (#2 + #3) + drag route from the #1 + Backside Seam route.


As #1 drags across the middle. Because #1 doesn't go vertical, Brock is relieved of #1 and now reads #2. #2 releases vertical.
After a slight re-direct of #2, Ward sees #3 release to his side of the field.
Rodgers' first read is #3 in the flat. With Ward nearby, Rodger's doesn't pull the trigger.


Rodgers' now looks to #2 going vertical. He is bracketed by Bethea and Brock. Now shown, Bow points to #1 dragging across the field. He's passing off coverage to the defender on the other side of the field - Reid.


Routes matches (blue lines). Bow sees Rodger's scramble left and makes a beeline to pressure Rodgers.


Nice coverage by 7 to buy time for the 4 man rush. I can't be sure this is pattern matching. It could very well be cover3, but what Ward and Reid do makes me suspect it's pattern matching. Thrown incomplete with an inaccurate throw. Punt.

Def. pattern match. You see how the ILB takes the vertical release and the other ILB moves to cover underneath but passes the crossing route off to Reid(classic pattern match, Saban talked about how they did that to "bait" the crossing routes to appear open but running into an underneath defender) and Brock definitely is cover 3 zone, but playing that, "man technique in zone" that is the hallmark of pattern-match.

Relieved to see pattern matching back in the defense. Hope we continue to use it and build on the things we did successfully against GB.

Originally posted by jonnydel:
Def. pattern match. You see how the ILB takes the vertical release and the other ILB moves to cover underneath but passes the crossing route off to Reid(classic pattern match, Saban talked about how they did that to "bait" the crossing routes to appear open but running into an underneath defender) and Brock definitely is cover 3 zone, but playing that, "man technique in zone" that is the hallmark of pattern-match.

Ok cool. Good point about what Wilhoite does. I wasn't too sure because it looked like cover3.
Crossing routes look open, but if it's targeted as it crosses the middle of the field, there's a defender coming downhill to lay the wood.

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by thl408:

This is the closest thing I've seen, to date this season, the 49ers run a pattern match coverage. I am still unsure, but based on two players - Ward and Reid - I think they are pattern matching.

I didn't draw the routes because it would get messy. Wanted to highlight the defensive players.
Right side: Inverted Smash (#2 + #3) + drag route from the #1 + Backside Seam route.


As #1 drags across the middle. Because #1 doesn't go vertical, Brock is relieved of #1 and now reads #2. #2 releases vertical.
After a slight re-direct of #2, Ward sees #3 release to his side of the field.
Rodgers' first read is #3 in the flat. With Ward nearby, Rodger's doesn't pull the trigger.


Rodgers' now looks to #2 going vertical. He is bracketed by Bethea and Brock. Now shown, Bow points to #1 dragging across the field. He's passing off coverage to the defender on the other side of the field - Reid.


Routes matches (blue lines). Bow sees Rodger's scramble left and makes a beeline to pressure Rodgers.


Nice coverage by 7 to buy time for the 4 man rush. I can't be sure this is pattern matching. It could very well be cover3, but what Ward and Reid do makes me suspect it's pattern matching. Thrown incomplete with an inaccurate throw. Punt.

Def. pattern match. You see how the ILB takes the vertical release and the other ILB moves to cover underneath but passes the crossing route off to Reid(classic pattern match, Saban talked about how they did that to "bait" the crossing routes to appear open but running into an underneath defender) and Brock definitely is cover 3 zone, but playing that, "man technique in zone" that is the hallmark of pattern-match.

Hmm.....no pattern matching for 2 games vs really good QBs=90 points allowed. Signs of pattern matching vs the best QB=really nice defensive outing, that if the offense did its part would have maybe resulted in a win. Hopefully mangini learned his lesson.

Are you getting the feeling Geep is calling a good game.....and Kap just cant execute? Or are the play calls still questionable?

Originally posted by jreff22:
Are you getting the feeling Geep is calling a good game.....and Kap just cant execute? Or are the play calls still questionable?

After 6 pages, what do you think....

This coaching staff not catering to Kaep's talent. They should make the read more basic and predictable for Kaep.

Originally posted by jreff22:

Are you getting the feeling Geep is calling a good game.....and Kap just cant execute? Or are the play calls still questionable?

Been saying it for the past 3 weeks. I don't have a probelm with the way Geep is calling the game. He's doing fine. QB and o-line has been atrocious, they have to execute.

Originally posted by VinculumJuris:
Absolutely brutal. Looking at defenderDX's gif, he had all day too.

Edit: It looks like Boldin was waving for it, but Kap didn't lead him enough to the outside and threw it too late. Meanwhile, easier completions are available. Playing WR on this team must be so frustrating.

and we saw it first hand watching Boldin and Torrey....... it was visible. now we know why....

The more film I see the more I get sick

Kap needs to pull his head out of the sand and pull the trigger!! There are multiple plays that and ther to be made and he just can't make it happen. Seems that the Oline gave him plenty of time to hits some throws. Not saying their good but damm there was some simple plays to be made and he's just not seeing them. Smfh!

Your comment about the DBs needing better ball skills when the ball is in the air reminds me of a comment by Eric Davis from his days as a 49er DB.

Prior to a Dallas game during the hay day of Michael Irvin, Davis was asked if he was concerned about going up against Aikman and Irvin. His answer was, "Not at all. I have to go against Young and Rice everyday in practice."

My point in bringing this up is that perhaps a reason that the DBs are not better is that the passing attack they see in practice is not much of a challenge to them. That may sound like piling on about the failure of the passing attack but from what I see in games, it may be a piece of the problem.

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by defenderDX:
good stuff from the Better Rivals co-host David.

but....*sniff* I broke down this play too, just up the screen on page 4....

Originally posted by jreff22:

Are you getting the feeling Geep is calling a good game.....and Kap just cant execute? Or are the play calls still questionable?

Overall, I liked the play calls in this game. It's hard to judge, at times. Because, sometimes you have to tip your cap to the defense and acknowledge that they have some good players and coaches too. That's what's so hard about playing in the NFL, and why we can be so hard on kaep, at times. In the NFL, youre not going to continue to get chances. You have to take advantage of your opportunities when they are there.

Kap simply has to start hitting some of these rhythm throws, he has to progress or he gets replaced. I can't believe we haven't been drafting Qb's in some drafts just to bring young guys in to compete. Lots of good Qb's came from later rounds. Its always good to try that, we have seemed so intent on coddling Kap into being "the guy" and he doesn't have any thicker skin because of it. Probably quite the opposite.

I think some of Kaps problems are mental part of the game, but i also believe he doesn't know how to get his emotions in check. I never really liked him yelling at Db's etc, but if thats what it takes just to get some productivity and will into the game, go at it then.

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by jreff22:
Are you getting the feeling Geep is calling a good game.....and Kap just cant execute? Or are the play calls still questionable?

Overall, I liked the play calls in this game. It's hard to judge, at times. Because, sometimes you have to tip your cap to the defense and acknowledge that they have some good players and coaches too. That's what's so hard about playing in the NFL, and why we can be so hard on kaep, at times. In the NFL, youre not going to continue to get chances. You have to take advantage of your opportunities when they are there.

and Kap isn't doing that. based off all the film there ARE players open. he's not getting it done.